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Mr.Obsessed 03-09-2006 06:57 AM

ABOUT: Straight neck KLZE fits into a BA V6
 
Just want to say that the engine is in and straight neck fits in BA with minor modifications to intake and throttle/pulley..spread the word :) I used pulley form mx3 v6... no modifications needed to engine mounts but you could make new hole 1-1,5 cm lower in front engine mount and pull it forwards in that way you can get more space :) so millennia or eunos or whatever intake manifold is not needed.

boostedbatman 03-09-2006 07:46 AM

Glad to hear its in
BTW whoever said the Millenia manifold was lower than the straight neck??

project.r.racing 03-09-2006 12:52 PM

i require pics now!!! :D jkz

kfze 03-09-2006 01:12 PM

Mr Obsessed, a pix would be highly appreciated.

A lot of interested ppl here.

Cheers !

Mr.Obsessed 03-09-2006 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boostedbatman
Glad to hear its in
BTW whoever said the Millenia manifold was lower than the straight neck??

My experience showed me that you shouldnít believe everything what ppl say on the net there are some retards that don't know what they talk about.. I also bought the curved neck so me and my friend we F... around with it for no reason on his car... just waste of money and time... and performance?

I filled my engine mounts with this product

http://www.henkel-lim.dk/dk/productDetail.php?recid=367

The black one and the engine is rock solid.. IT WORKS. Just to be shore that it doesnít bang on internals in the back of the car.

I also was scared that the bonnet would not close (heard it on the forums) it closed with NO problems there is like 1.5-2 centimetres to the rod that goes over the engine to the shocks.. I forgot what its called in English :confused: ...
I was so tired last night worked for 9 hours straight so the last thing i thought about was taking the pictures I will take some in short time don't worry :)

I began on electric also connected most sensors. Just curious what did ppl do with the EGR stuff? The sensor and the pipe that goes to the back header it does not exists on ZE its something to do with recirculation to lower emissions right.. so can I pass emissions test without it?

boostedbatman 04-09-2006 03:54 AM

JUst remember that the curved neck flows better than the straight neck and also shifts you torque band a bit lower (more bottom end is always a good thing)
your rod from top of shocks is a strut brace
And the EGR lines up to the back and underneath the curved neck manifold, I would assume this to be the same on the straight neck

Mr.Obsessed 04-09-2006 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boostedbatman
JUst remember that the curved neck flows better than the straight neck and also shifts you torque band a bit lower (more bottom end is always a good thing)

Can you back that up with some proof/data?

As I said donít believe everything you read on the net.

No there is no egr on straight neck.

boostedbatman 05-09-2006 03:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Obsessed
Can you back that up with some proof/data?

As I said donít believe everything you read on the net.

No there is no egr on straight neck.

http://www.alljapanesecars.com/specs...6&mc=ge5s&gn=1
http://www.alljapanesecars.com/specs...0&mc=ta5y&gn=1
Is that good enough for you
Taken from http://www.alljapanesecars.com

Mr.Obsessed 05-09-2006 08:07 AM

Sorry but no. This is Old-Old discussion that has taken place several times on mx6.com and probetalk.com. With no result at the end. I personally think the difference is in software manual/auto. Maybe we are all right.. who knows only Mazda does. We are all guessing. The thing I know that some dude from mx3.com build high revving ZE and had problems with curved neck so better flow dunno... But the differences are so small even if there are some itís irrelevant even to discuss this :)

For ppl waiting on the pics I will take some when I go back to the garage to finish work around exhaust, bore holes and fit axles etc. That will be friday hope to fire it up that day :)

For now here are some pics i took during the swap :)

http://img429.imageshack.us/my.php?i...sc07060lg6.jpg

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/8860/dsc07065of0.jpg

http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/906/dsc07062uf8.jpg

Japanese extern disty :(

http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/6636/dsc07068fe7.jpg

Rebuild euro disty with headers :)

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/7563/dsc07094zw8.jpg

Performance headers (There was problems when installing... front header should not be munted when dropping the engine in the car)

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9548/dsc07093xh7.jpg

Old tired engine :( it looks so small and sad compared to ZE

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/8605/dsc07092om8.jpg

There is a big hole in my car :p

http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/8602/dsc07095bv5.jpg

Modified pulley to overcome space probs... sorry for the quality i had makro acivated on my cam lol

http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/7097/dsc07085dn4.jpg

Difference between the 2 mx3 vs ZE. ZE's pulley bangs against the pump/container.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4343/spjldhuszs5.jpg

A little adjustment here on the pump.. it must be bent a bit and it slides in no problems.. 15 sec. job. :)

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8792/modlp6.jpg

Thats all for now :)

Mr.Obsessed 09-09-2006 06:07 AM

Here it is. I fired it up today for 20 sec run's ok.. but I have some VRIS and vacum problems as there are differences. :mad: Someone got system layout for 2.0 V6?? Vacum and/or VRIS?

Some pics

http://img307.imageshack.us/img307/5660/finalst5.jpg

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/5530/dsc00007zm6.jpg

Tell me what you think? :confused: But I am far from finished... :)

boostedbatman 10-09-2006 05:58 AM

Why does it look like an incorrectly installed throttle cable in the last pic
We dont have clearance issues wth the Brake Master cylinder here as ours is on the drivers side

Mr.Obsessed 10-09-2006 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boostedbatman
Why does it look like an incorrectly installed throttle cable in the last pic
We dont have clearance issues wth the Brake Master cylinder here as ours is on the drivers side

I fabricated the system for the throttle cable.. I had to raise it abit to make it open 100% :)

Oh yes I forgot that makes it even easier :)

Dogo 11-09-2006 09:03 AM

i probably have the system layout in the workshop manual.

but im moving house at the moment so it'll be a while before I dig my way through to the box that its in :)

FLiP 12-09-2006 10:12 PM

That engine is freakin' sweet. If you've fitted it into a BAV6 will it fit in the 1.8? Or is that wishful thinking? I'm assuming the engine mounts are the same? But maybe i assumed wrong.

boostedbatman 13-09-2006 04:47 PM

All the same through the K series engines (are you talking K8 v6 BTW)
4 cyl is a different kettle of fish

FLiP 13-09-2006 05:08 PM

I'm confused.

Mr. Obsessed has put a KL-ZE 2.5L V6 in BA Astina 2.0L hatch. I wanna put the same engine into my BA 1.8 hatch. Has it been done before? Is it possible? The two cars are very similar, but are the engine mounts the same?

Thanks.

Mr.Obsessed 13-09-2006 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FLiP
I'm confused.

Mr. Obsessed has put a KL-ZE 2.5L V6 in BA Astina 2.0L hatch. I wanna put the same engine into my BA 1.8 hatch. Has it been done before? Is it possible? The two cars are very similar, but are the engine mounts the same?

Thanks.

No.. the 2 cars 1.8 and v6 only share same chassis thatís it...It would be cheaper/smarter to get an v6 and take it from there. If not you must change the whole brake system/wiring/tranny etc.

skitz 13-09-2006 05:33 PM

there must be stuff we can do to the stock 1.8 engine to mod it(other then turbo etc) then to pull some more out???

or is it just best to buy the V6 all round??

Dogo 13-09-2006 05:54 PM

when buying a BA astina, the difference in price of the second hand models is so small its makes the v6 the best buy in my opinion.

there is plenty you can do with the 4cyl to get more power out. The question really is - is it worth the price ?

rodhog 14-09-2006 03:45 AM

You should actually put it down too. Do want turbo or not.

Because simpley once you bolt in the largest most powerfull N/A v6 the 2.5L Ze - where do you go to get more ? - yes I know you will say this that this and that but, How much for Cam's ECU - how much gain. Not many V6's going N/A making much more then 220HP flywheel. Most problery onyl making 210HP flywheel here in Australia.
with what 250NM ?
Now with the BP you giving away an easy 700cc or so. but using the BPT you easliy get the torque with an exhaust fitted.
But once you get 220HP out of the BPT at flywheel which is not much really for BPT.
When you do go further which has been done and is easily achived. you do run into a common problem ?

GEARBOX. which even with 220HP at the flywheel you would have run into by then or maybe not so but you will do so

Now you might say yeah but V6 is cheaper - IS IT ?
no conversion is cheap.
I've mostly only been on RWd conversion with the odd FWD here and there but in most cases i've always said why not buy it in the first place.

for example cost a of BA v6 versus GE Mx-6/626. if you want a KL-ZE the Mx-6 626 is much easier swap and - the weight penltey on 626 hatch is not much (Mx-6 is alot lighter) especially if you add in the fact you move up to a nicer bigger car versus the BA. I have BA sorry they are cheap in comaprisson to the 626 series. Even the older 626 has much better feel, but yet old.
but look at the current 2nd hand prices,

I'm not putting down anyone doing it. In fact I say GOOD ON YA.

If I had the time and was not restricted to turbo only ( I'm stuck with turbo or V8)
Well I might do it. but as I don't use the Astina, I bought it for my mother to use. I t can stay but I do look out for a KL-ZE auto package.

Next thing Supercharge it or if you want Turbo the bastard


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