Need more low

Fresh · 09-06-2012, 09:51 AM

So at the moment my car looks more rally spec than JDM due to it's unbelievably high ride height, so I was looking at some King springs and wanted to see what your opinions are on the way I should go about lowering it
(http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mazda-323...ht_2623wt_1139)

Zenki · 09-06-2012, 11:08 AM

Go for coil-overs

http://www.astinagt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19333

phildough · 09-06-2012, 12:15 PM

Just remember if fitting coil overs that they may not be ADR approved and you may violate the terms and agreements of you insurance and they may choose not to pay out on any claim, even if you are not at fault.
They deem you at fault and hold you responsible for damage to the other persons car, even thought they caused you were at fault as you car should not have been on the road.
I have spoken to a few people that have been affected by this issue recently.
One now owes $37K to the insurance company for the BMW that rear ended him.
So fit them at your own risk.

Fresh · 09-06-2012, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phildough

Just remember if fitting coil overs that they may not be ADR approved and you may violate the terms and agreements of you insurance and they may choose not to pay out on any claim, even if you are not at fault.
They deem you at fault and hold you responsible for damage to the other persons car, even thought they caused you were at fault as you car should not have been on the road.
I have spoken to a few people that have been affected by this issue recently.
One now owes $37K to the insurance company for the BMW that rear ended him.
So fit them at your own risk.

That's exactly what my insurance told me. I'm just skeptical about springs because I've heard bad things about them but I don't think I can afford coil overs :/

project.r.racing · 09-06-2012, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phildough

Just remember if fitting coil overs that they may not be ADR approved and you may violate the terms and agreements of you insurance and they may choose not to pay out on any claim, even if you are not at fault.

Correct.

Quote:

Originally Posted by phildough

They deem you at fault and hold you responsible for damage to the other persons car, even thought they caused you were at fault as you car should not have been on the road.

Incorrect. You cannot reverse fault. But the insurance company can do as you said above.

Zenki · 09-06-2012, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phildough

Just remember if fitting coil overs that they may not be ADR approved and you may violate the terms and agreements of you insurance and they may choose not to pay out on any claim, even if you are not at fault.
They deem you at fault and hold you responsible for damage to the other persons car, even thought they caused you were at fault as you car should not have been on the road.
I have spoken to a few people that have been affected by this issue recently.
One now owes $37K to the insurance company for the BMW that rear ended him.
So fit them at your own risk.

How about springs and shocks set up? Would they be ADR approved?

phildough · 09-06-2012, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zenki

How about springs and shocks set up? Would they be ADR approved?

As far as I know your not changing away from manufacturers design.

phildough · 09-06-2012, 12:59 PM

A well set up spring and shock setup will offer a better ride and possibly better handling than a cheap set of coil overs.

derb · 09-06-2012, 01:02 PM

Yeh go some superlow springs, about 100x cheaper than a set of coilovers.

Cosmo Dude · 09-06-2012, 02:27 PM

This is what Kings lows look like on a H/T

And they are for sale with Koni insets in the rear pair.

Fresh · 09-06-2012, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cosmo Dude

This is what Kings lows look like on a H/T

And they are for sale with Koni insets in the rear pair.

Hmmm that looks nice, so the lows drop the car by 60mm while the normal king springs would only drop it by 30mm?

Cosmo Dude · 09-06-2012, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fresh

Hmmm that looks nice, so the lows drop the car by 60mm while the normal king springs would only drop it by 30mm?

King normal are standard height heavy duty. These are 30mm lower and have a firmer ride, the Koni control them very well. Of all the spring/shock combos this was the best 'street' setup, good on the twisties and no complaints from the passengers.

smurfy · 09-06-2012, 04:22 PM

Lows -30mm
Superlows 50?mm
Im assuming

project.r.racing · 09-06-2012, 04:27 PM

kings lows will still look rally spec.
kings superlows do not exsist for BAs.

due to the 60mm of gap between the tyres and arches, you really need to look at the spring manufacturers that offer 45-50mm options.

maztech · 09-06-2012, 09:30 PM

I got a set of BA 4 cyl used king sping sitting in my garage that I want to sell ,just haven't posted em up yet -- if anyone interested let me know

Fresh · 09-06-2012, 11:36 PM

Thanks for all the help guys! So I'm pretty sure i'll get the King spring lows that will drop it by 35mm (I would prefer more of drop but I can't find any others -.-)
Love this forum! everyone's so helpful

<3

rodhog · 10-06-2012, 12:06 AM

On regards to legalites on Coil-overs. It's actually nothing illigal about them.

It's only an issue if the following are not done. A - set above the ADR of 100mm. Ground clearance. 2 IF any mounting locations are not Original. Including strut tops. Yes Those adjustable items are questionable on new cars. Some car makers claim they they will break away and in doing so protect the car and it's occupants.

When I put coil overs into the Mazda 2. I did the homework. NO issue - why original mounting points including new factory strut tops. Set well about the 100mm legal limits.
Also with NRMA - it's covered regardless. Alot of minor modifications were covers with full comp For years. It's IN THE FINE PRINT. See It's under replacment of AGE parts for Same.

In simple terms - you can replace your rear muffler to a Stianless steal item. with big chrome tips. As Wear and tear. If you get damage in a accident. They can replaced it with original or a aftermarket unit. They do add a different disclaimer on it being - If say original costs $300 - your Stainless one is $200 and theres is aftermarket at $100. You get the $100. Of course it's why you tell them to cover it. But they can't refuse coverage on replacment items.

So a cheap way of not increasing a premiums is to not cover it but accept all items as wear and tear replacments. Even when you when they cost an arm and a leg.

But $2500 worth of coil overs into street car - Is a waste - And yes I have Teins in a Mazda 2 street car but it cost me the smae as new shocks and replacment KYB's.
But I admit too as well - I'd rather have custom K-mac springs and KYBs

I must say All these complaints abotu King springs. Yet they are one of Australias biggest Spring makers for not only Racing - but just general aftermarket areas. Products have been backed well. I've never heard of any issue about poor quality of the spring - merchanically.

But I guess when they offer a good affordable product made in Australia. People just want that name brand.

Mad Mat · 10-06-2012, 01:59 AM

I have a RS-R springs for sale with shocks if ur interested

lowers the car nicely

ask anyone here, I think it lowers the car lower than king spring but with still giving a good ride. Ask Austdave, he bought them off Rupe

09-06-2012, 09:51 AM	#1
Fresh Junior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Bathurst Car: 96 Astina Hardtop Posts: 68	Need more low So at the moment my car looks more rally spec than JDM due to it's unbelievably high ride height, so I was looking at some King springs and wanted to see what your opinions are on the way I should go about lowering it (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mazda-323...ht_2623wt_1139)

09-06-2012, 01:02 PM	#9
derb Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Brisbane Car: 1993 BG Astina GT-X Posts: 1,822 View Photos By: derb	Yeh go some superlow springs, about 100x cheaper than a set of coilovers. __________________ 1993 BG Astina 'GT-X'

09-06-2012, 02:27 PM	#10
Cosmo Dude コスモ Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Location: Vic Car: Mazda '95 Astina I4, '86 B2K and '10 3 MZR-CD Posts: 7,888 View Photos By: Cosmo Dude	This is what Kings lows look like on a H/T And they are for sale with Koni insets in the rear pair. __________________ My 'stina Hatch

09-06-2012, 04:22 PM	#13
smurfy Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: sutherland shire, nsw Car: sp20 Posts: 1,968 View Photos By: smurfy	Lows -30mm Superlows 50?mm Im assuming __________________ To many of us, our cars are an extension of our own personalities, the way we choose to modify reflects this.

10-06-2012, 01:59 AM	#18
Mad Mat HONEYWELL REPRESENT Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Salisbury - Inner City Car: 1997 BA Hardtop - Had a 2003 BJii J48 Sport20, and 2x bg SOHC astina hatches Posts: 5,011 View Photos By: Mad Mat	I have a RS-R springs for sale with shocks if ur interested lowers the car nicely ask anyone here, I think it lowers the car lower than king spring but with still giving a good ride. Ask Austdave, he bought them off Rupe __________________ PROJECT "Catalina" 1994 323 BG Hatch 2005-2007 Crashed into truck 1991 323 BG Hatch 2007-2008/9 SOLD 2003 BJ SP20 J48 Hatch 2008-2011 Regretfully SOLD 1997 BA I4 Sedan 2012-CURRENT 1985 BF 323 Hatch 2014-2015SOLD 1989 MX5 2015-2015 Last edited by Mad Mat; 10-06-2012 at 02:03 AM.

09-06-2012, 11:08 AM	#2
Zenki Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: The Festival State Car: BJII Protege Posts: 217	Go for coil-overs http://www.astinagt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19333

09-06-2012, 12:15 PM	#3
phildough Banned Join Date: May 2006 Location: Brisneyland, Queensland Car: 2002 Mazda Frankenstina Posts: 2,868 View Photos By: phildough	Just remember if fitting coil overs that they may not be ADR approved and you may violate the terms and agreements of you insurance and they may choose not to pay out on any claim, even if you are not at fault. They deem you at fault and hold you responsible for damage to the other persons car, even thought they caused you were at fault as you car should not have been on the road. I have spoken to a few people that have been affected by this issue recently. One now owes $37K to the insurance company for the BMW that rear ended him. So fit them at your own risk.

09-06-2012, 12:59 PM	#8
phildough Banned Join Date: May 2006 Location: Brisneyland, Queensland Car: 2002 Mazda Frankenstina Posts: 2,868 View Photos By: phildough	A well set up spring and shock setup will offer a better ride and possibly better handling than a cheap set of coil overs.

09-06-2012, 04:27 PM	#14
project.r.racing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: n/a Car: n/a Posts: 10,929	kings lows will still look rally spec. kings superlows do not exsist for BAs. due to the 60mm of gap between the tyres and arches, you really need to look at the spring manufacturers that offer 45-50mm options.

09-06-2012, 09:30 PM	#15
maztech Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: QLD Car: ...... Posts: 952	I got a set of BA 4 cyl used king sping sitting in my garage that I want to sell ,just haven't posted em up yet -- if anyone interested let me know

09-06-2012, 11:36 PM	#16
Fresh Junior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Bathurst Car: 96 Astina Hardtop Posts: 68	Thanks for all the help guys! So I'm pretty sure i'll get the King spring lows that will drop it by 35mm (I would prefer more of drop but I can't find any others -.-) Love this forum! everyone's so helpful <3

10-06-2012, 12:06 AM	#17
rodhog Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney Lakemba Car: mx-6 626 Gs300 Maz2 was 95 KF BA-HT Posts: 2,024 View Photos By: rodhog	On regards to legalites on Coil-overs. It's actually nothing illigal about them. It's only an issue if the following are not done. A - set above the ADR of 100mm. Ground clearance. 2 IF any mounting locations are not Original. Including strut tops. Yes Those adjustable items are questionable on new cars. Some car makers claim they they will break away and in doing so protect the car and it's occupants. When I put coil overs into the Mazda 2. I did the homework. NO issue - why original mounting points including new factory strut tops. Set well about the 100mm legal limits. Also with NRMA - it's covered regardless. Alot of minor modifications were covers with full comp For years. It's IN THE FINE PRINT. See It's under replacment of AGE parts for Same. In simple terms - you can replace your rear muffler to a Stianless steal item. with big chrome tips. As Wear and tear. If you get damage in a accident. They can replaced it with original or a aftermarket unit. They do add a different disclaimer on it being - If say original costs $300 - your Stainless one is $200 and theres is aftermarket at $100. You get the $100. Of course it's why you tell them to cover it. But they can't refuse coverage on replacment items. So a cheap way of not increasing a premiums is to not cover it but accept all items as wear and tear replacments. Even when you when they cost an arm and a leg. But $2500 worth of coil overs into street car - Is a waste - And yes I have Teins in a Mazda 2 street car but it cost me the smae as new shocks and replacment KYB's. But I admit too as well - I'd rather have custom K-mac springs and KYBs I must say All these complaints abotu King springs. Yet they are one of Australias biggest Spring makers for not only Racing - but just general aftermarket areas. Products have been backed well. I've never heard of any issue about poor quality of the spring - merchanically. But I guess when they offer a good affordable product made in Australia. People just want that name brand.