EOI : Microtech GB and tune - Page 15

chicaboo · 29-05-2005, 10:12 AM

Andrew, that idea I had for Pete to get the coil pack from Microtech and dump the dizzy. http://www.microtechefi.com/html/LT.htm $150 for LT8S and $200 for LT12S...
This thing looks like it's just a control module? Does that mean BP(T) or K8/F/L owners need to get coil packs in addition to this? I'm just wondering how much extra work would be involved before getting peoples hopes up...
Also I've been wondering if the LT10S would be better for some of us wanting to boost down the track, or in another car alltogether some time later on. It has more input and ouput controls, which sound almost necessary for supercharging when you lose accessories and replace them with electric units, etc...

1. twiggy - LT8S, tune, maybe install & laptop connector - paid
2. gav - LT8S (LT10S?), install, tune & hand controller - paid
3. Anton - LT8S, install, tune & hand-controller - paid
4. tublade - LT8S, install, tune, maybe hand controller - paid
5. boostedbatman - LT12S - ECU and Hand controller (supply only)
6. snert - LT8S - LT8S, tune, maybe install & laptop connector - paid
7. non-agt member (0% sure atm) - waiting.....
8. coldie123 - LT8S & laptop adaptor (supply only) - paid

boostedbatman · 30-05-2005, 04:06 AM

Gav you spoke the words I was wondering.
Which had me then thinking "what coil-packs to get" (MSD,AEM etc) and where is a reasonable place to source these items in Aus
Hmm me thinks I have a bit more time required to finalise this theory

Nate · 30-05-2005, 05:42 AM

just lettingyou know pete that according to your readers rides your engine will be in tomorrw ... can i come have a look

QuicKSilveR · 30-05-2005, 10:53 AM

If you want to run Coil packs then buy the lt8Xs not the lt8s. This allows you to run 4 coils. 1 Coil per Spark plug

. I think they sell the coils in pairs - $70 or something so $150 for 4. The Lt8Xs handles the wiring of the coils so there is no need for anything else - Think its $50 or $100 more for the X version.

Don't need a fancy hectic coil setup if you have 1 coil per spark plug.....you should get plenty spark even with standard coils.

You get to ditch the dizzy cap and just run the dizzy or crank angle sensor.

twilightprotege · 30-05-2005, 10:57 AM

yeah how will the crank angle sensor work on our cars. we have a magnetic pickup and not a hall effect sensor which makes the crank angle a lot harder to work out. ie 4 points on the crank pulley rather than 30 whatever like the yanky crank. here's the diff :

our version looks like this (this is a 6 cyl crank pulley but the 4 cyl has 4 points)

yanky :

QuicKSilveR · 30-05-2005, 11:01 AM

The ones I've seen on BPT and B6T, they have just pulled off the dizzy cap and used the rest of the dizzy for the crank signal. Each coil then run straigt to the spark plug.

Doesn't the MX5 have a crank angle? Either way i don't think 4 coils is necessary.

Tublade · 30-05-2005, 12:26 PM

So does this mean I would need to get the LT8X instead of the LT8? Seeing as i'm going to be getting a BPT sometime down the track.

twilightprotege · 30-05-2005, 12:30 PM

you dont need it, it's just an option

Tublade · 30-05-2005, 12:39 PM

I was just asking cos if its a better option to get the LT8X, i would rather get that instead, but seeing as you guys know more about this stuff then I do i'll rather get your hear what you guys have to say.

twilightprotege · 30-05-2005, 01:16 PM

i dont think you'll need them unless you're planning on running 15+ psi of boost. maybe QS can assist this this q?

QuicKSilveR · 30-05-2005, 02:51 PM

Nah you don't need it. I just run the normal dizzy with a normal coil (might get a better coil one day) and I run 17psi on mine.

I just use the New Microtech LT8s......to much buggering about with the X one and all the coils.......and cops will spot it straight away.

boostedbatman · 30-05-2005, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nate

just lettingyou know pete that according to your readers rides your engine will be in tomorrw ... can i come have a look

June in my worl is the longest month of the year and it has as many days as I see fit so I will finish it before MY month is out
P.S. my calender year has around 2000 days to put this into perspective

Tublade · 30-05-2005, 10:30 PM

cool thanks for that guys, i'l just stick to the LT8, and i won't worry about getting the hand controller seeing as we only need one map.

chicaboo · 30-05-2005, 11:20 PM

Noone addressed the LT10S Q I put forward... Anyhow, I was thinking of boosting with a SC oneday as a possiblity, and wondered if the LT10S's extra input/outputs would help with such an install? And only $100 more...

It sounds like you can run the LT8S, LT10S and LT12S quite happily with the external "ignition control module" in either 4 or 6cyl or 8cyl with wasted spark. Atleast it says so on their site, and as far as I can see all the internal ignition model LT?X have been discontinued... In any case, do the plug leads go straight into the ignition control modules ($150 for 4cyl, $200 for 6cyl)? If so, it looks like the decision is VERY easy for those wishing to ditch the unreliable dizzy...

twilightprotege · 31-05-2005, 07:09 AM

QS runs the LT8 - he's turbo.

QuicKSilveR · 31-05-2005, 10:25 AM

Yeah, there is NO Extra wires for turbo. NOTHING. It wires up exactly the same. The ECU uses a MAP sensor which is built into the Microtech. You basically run a vacumn line from the plenum on Turbo and N/A motors. N/A motors will just read vacumn (negetive - Hg) up to 0 and then when a turbo comes on it will get a positive (psi) reading above 0. Just means when you tune it you have to tune the postive postive points on the MAP.

Full throttle on a N/A will just be zero but on Turbo the points can vary all the way up to full boost and you can still get spikes. - ie: 6psi at 2500rpm and 15psi at 5000rpm.

The wiring is the same BUT what is programmed into the ECU by microtech is a different story...perhaps its set as a Turbo model at their factory. You might want to conact Microtech and ask them what happens if you ORDER a BP N/A Microtech (Pre-programmed) and then upgrade to turbo or a BPT. Best would be if its just the base fuel maps that let you drive around that is different and not the hard coded stuff. Otherwise you are going to be sending the computer back to microtech and paying $300 + to have the hard-coded data changed to BPT spec.

I'm Turbo - My Iginition: I just use the standard BPT Dizzy and coil and then have a standard Ignition Module from a EFI KF/KH laser.....you can rip these out of any car like corolla etc. Its tiny and on the side of the coil. The microtech one would just be an improved ignition module....the factory one being like 3cm x 3cm tiny. The LTX8 would also let you drop the dizzy setup.

anton · 31-05-2005, 09:54 PM

how did u go today Andrew did you get any prices?

twilightprotege · 31-05-2005, 10:00 PM

wasnt able to get out today. i was planning on doing a few things in 1 day. get my drag radials fitted and balanced, street tyres re-balanced and see the shops. drag tyres arent here yet. hopefully tomorrow. however before i got online there was a message from the pricks at fedex. wifey forgot to check the messages during the day so i cant call them until tomorrow morning

anyway, if the tyres will arrive tomorrow, i'll be going to the shops. have all the names down, what everyone wants and everything is ready to go. just jump in the car and drive!

boostedbatman · 01-06-2005, 03:40 AM

I have received an email back from microtech

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim at Microtech

You can order an LT8S and an X4 igniter box and 4 bosch coils to suit. This
is not cheap but can be done and use the Astina Dizzy as a CAS only and
then fire 4 coils rather than 1.
Contact sales@microtechefi.com for pricing
Regards, Tim.

So I will be running an MSD or AEM coilpack with this setup it seems
Now I just have to find a decently priced supplier and I will be a happy camper

twilightprotege · 01-06-2005, 01:55 PM

ok kiddies, looks like we have a supplier - anton you'll be happy.

it's dyson rotary at labrador. the price for the lt8s is $900, lt12s $1000, tune $200, hand controler $175, laptop dongle $50.

there is a slight hitch with dyson - they wont install the units the way we want them - ie as a piggy back so we can keep all the stock stuff. that's no problem though - i have the how-to install them that's specific for the BJ's, QS (i'm just volunteering you) can help with the bp's.

mazcare couldnt match the price. mazfix will apparently get back to me as archie wasnt there at the time. i'm not holding my breath. if i dont hear back from mazfix by 4pm i'll ring up dyson and put down the deposit.

with the install, i was thinking an install day. we can all do our own cars and we'll do it side by side so that we can all check each others work.

so, if anyone is wanting to pull out, you have til 4pm to do so. or if anyone wants to jump in at the last second, you have til 4pm as well.

30-05-2005, 04:06 AM	#282
boostedbatman Manpink Crusader Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Stafford, Brisbane Car: 1990 GD mx6 F2T, and soon I might drive the batmoobile once again Posts: 2,280 View Photos By: boostedbatman	Gav you spoke the words I was wondering. Which had me then thinking "what coil-packs to get" (MSD,AEM etc) and where is a reasonable place to source these items in Aus Hmm me thinks I have a bit more time required to finalise this theory __________________ The Batmobile as she used to be and now she hangs from a chain in the garage

30-05-2005, 05:42 AM	#283
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30-05-2005, 10:53 AM	#284
QuicKSilveR AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Brisbane Car: '01 Nissan Silvia s15 (Ex Ford Laser TX3 Turbo FAN74) Posts: 343 View Photos By: QuicKSilveR	If you want to run Coil packs then buy the lt8Xs not the lt8s. This allows you to run 4 coils. 1 Coil per Spark plug . I think they sell the coils in pairs - $70 or something so $150 for 4. The Lt8Xs handles the wiring of the coils so there is no need for anything else - Think its $50 or $100 more for the X version. Don't need a fancy hectic coil setup if you have 1 coil per spark plug.....you should get plenty spark even with standard coils. You get to ditch the dizzy cap and just run the dizzy or crank angle sensor. __________________ Mazda Fours :: Mazda Four Cylinder Performance Club http://www.mazdafours.com

30-05-2005, 11:01 AM	#286
QuicKSilveR AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Brisbane Car: '01 Nissan Silvia s15 (Ex Ford Laser TX3 Turbo FAN74) Posts: 343 View Photos By: QuicKSilveR	The ones I've seen on BPT and B6T, they have just pulled off the dizzy cap and used the rest of the dizzy for the crank signal. Each coil then run straigt to the spark plug. Doesn't the MX5 have a crank angle? Either way i don't think 4 coils is necessary. __________________ Mazda Fours :: Mazda Four Cylinder Performance Club http://www.mazdafours.com

30-05-2005, 12:26 PM	#287
Tublade AstinaGT Regular Join Date: May 2004 Location: Logan, QLD Car: 2005 Subaru Liberty GT Posts: 448 View Photos By: Tublade	So does this mean I would need to get the LT8X instead of the LT8? Seeing as i'm going to be getting a BPT sometime down the track. __________________ OLD CAR FAT323 http://www.astinagt.com/forums/vbgar...do=view&id=577

29-05-2005, 10:12 AM	#281
chicaboo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Logan prefecture Car: Touge monster Posts: 7,585	Andrew, that idea I had for Pete to get the coil pack from Microtech and dump the dizzy. http://www.microtechefi.com/html/LT.htm $150 for LT8S and $200 for LT12S... This thing looks like it's just a control module? Does that mean BP(T) or K8/F/L owners need to get coil packs in addition to this? I'm just wondering how much extra work would be involved before getting peoples hopes up... Also I've been wondering if the LT10S would be better for some of us wanting to boost down the track, or in another car alltogether some time later on. It has more input and ouput controls, which sound almost necessary for supercharging when you lose accessories and replace them with electric units, etc... 1. twiggy - LT8S, tune, maybe install & laptop connector - paid 2. gav - LT8S (LT10S?), install, tune & hand controller - paid 3. Anton - LT8S, install, tune & hand-controller - paid 4. tublade - LT8S, install, tune, maybe hand controller - paid 5. boostedbatman - LT12S - ECU and Hand controller (supply only) 6. snert - LT8S - LT8S, tune, maybe install & laptop connector - paid 7. non-agt member (0% sure atm) - waiting..... 8. coldie123 - LT8S & laptop adaptor (supply only) - paid

30-05-2005, 10:57 AM	#285
twilightprotege Driving a faster car now! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Work, always at bloody work... Car: Lotus ....... . Posts: 5,217 View Photos By: twilightprotege	yeah how will the crank angle sensor work on our cars. we have a magnetic pickup and not a hall effect sensor which makes the crank angle a lot harder to work out. ie 4 points on the crank pulley rather than 30 whatever like the yanky crank. here's the diff : our version looks like this (this is a 6 cyl crank pulley but the 4 cyl has 4 points) yanky :

30-05-2005, 12:30 PM	#288
twilightprotege Driving a faster car now! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Work, always at bloody work... Car: Lotus ....... . Posts: 5,217 View Photos By: twilightprotege	you dont need it, it's just an option

30-05-2005, 12:39 PM	#289
Tublade AstinaGT Regular Join Date: May 2004 Location: Logan, QLD Car: 2005 Subaru Liberty GT Posts: 448 View Photos By: Tublade	I was just asking cos if its a better option to get the LT8X, i would rather get that instead, but seeing as you guys know more about this stuff then I do i'll rather get your hear what you guys have to say. __________________ OLD CAR FAT323 http://www.astinagt.com/forums/vbgar...do=view&id=577

30-05-2005, 01:16 PM	#290
twilightprotege Driving a faster car now! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Work, always at bloody work... Car: Lotus ....... . Posts: 5,217 View Photos By: twilightprotege	i dont think you'll need them unless you're planning on running 15+ psi of boost. maybe QS can assist this this q?

30-05-2005, 02:51 PM	#291
QuicKSilveR AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Brisbane Car: '01 Nissan Silvia s15 (Ex Ford Laser TX3 Turbo FAN74) Posts: 343 View Photos By: QuicKSilveR	Nah you don't need it. I just run the normal dizzy with a normal coil (might get a better coil one day) and I run 17psi on mine. I just use the New Microtech LT8s......to much buggering about with the X one and all the coils.......and cops will spot it straight away. __________________ Mazda Fours :: Mazda Four Cylinder Performance Club http://www.mazdafours.com

30-05-2005, 10:30 PM	#293
Tublade AstinaGT Regular Join Date: May 2004 Location: Logan, QLD Car: 2005 Subaru Liberty GT Posts: 448 View Photos By: Tublade	cool thanks for that guys, i'l just stick to the LT8, and i won't worry about getting the hand controller seeing as we only need one map. __________________ OLD CAR FAT323 http://www.astinagt.com/forums/vbgar...do=view&id=577

30-05-2005, 11:20 PM	#294
chicaboo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Logan prefecture Car: Touge monster Posts: 7,585	Noone addressed the LT10S Q I put forward... Anyhow, I was thinking of boosting with a SC oneday as a possiblity, and wondered if the LT10S's extra input/outputs would help with such an install? And only $100 more... It sounds like you can run the LT8S, LT10S and LT12S quite happily with the external "ignition control module" in either 4 or 6cyl or 8cyl with wasted spark. Atleast it says so on their site, and as far as I can see all the internal ignition model LT?X have been discontinued... In any case, do the plug leads go straight into the ignition control modules ($150 for 4cyl, $200 for 6cyl)? If so, it looks like the decision is VERY easy for those wishing to ditch the unreliable dizzy...

31-05-2005, 07:09 AM	#295
twilightprotege Driving a faster car now! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Work, always at bloody work... Car: Lotus ....... . Posts: 5,217 View Photos By: twilightprotege	QS runs the LT8 - he's turbo.

31-05-2005, 10:25 AM	#296
QuicKSilveR AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Brisbane Car: '01 Nissan Silvia s15 (Ex Ford Laser TX3 Turbo FAN74) Posts: 343 View Photos By: QuicKSilveR	Yeah, there is NO Extra wires for turbo. NOTHING. It wires up exactly the same. The ECU uses a MAP sensor which is built into the Microtech. You basically run a vacumn line from the plenum on Turbo and N/A motors. N/A motors will just read vacumn (negetive - Hg) up to 0 and then when a turbo comes on it will get a positive (psi) reading above 0. Just means when you tune it you have to tune the postive postive points on the MAP. Full throttle on a N/A will just be zero but on Turbo the points can vary all the way up to full boost and you can still get spikes. - ie: 6psi at 2500rpm and 15psi at 5000rpm. The wiring is the same BUT what is programmed into the ECU by microtech is a different story...perhaps its set as a Turbo model at their factory. You might want to conact Microtech and ask them what happens if you ORDER a BP N/A Microtech (Pre-programmed) and then upgrade to turbo or a BPT. Best would be if its just the base fuel maps that let you drive around that is different and not the hard coded stuff. Otherwise you are going to be sending the computer back to microtech and paying $300 + to have the hard-coded data changed to BPT spec. I'm Turbo - My Iginition: I just use the standard BPT Dizzy and coil and then have a standard Ignition Module from a EFI KF/KH laser.....you can rip these out of any car like corolla etc. Its tiny and on the side of the coil. The microtech one would just be an improved ignition module....the factory one being like 3cm x 3cm tiny. The LTX8 would also let you drop the dizzy setup. __________________ Mazda Fours :: Mazda Four Cylinder Performance Club http://www.mazdafours.com

31-05-2005, 09:54 PM	#297
anton Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Gold Coast Posts: 216	how did u go today Andrew did you get any prices?

31-05-2005, 10:00 PM	#298
twilightprotege Driving a faster car now! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Work, always at bloody work... Car: Lotus ....... . Posts: 5,217 View Photos By: twilightprotege	wasnt able to get out today. i was planning on doing a few things in 1 day. get my drag radials fitted and balanced, street tyres re-balanced and see the shops. drag tyres arent here yet. hopefully tomorrow. however before i got online there was a message from the pricks at fedex. wifey forgot to check the messages during the day so i cant call them until tomorrow morning anyway, if the tyres will arrive tomorrow, i'll be going to the shops. have all the names down, what everyone wants and everything is ready to go. just jump in the car and drive!

01-06-2005, 01:55 PM	#300
twilightprotege Driving a faster car now! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Work, always at bloody work... Car: Lotus ....... . Posts: 5,217 View Photos By: twilightprotege	ok kiddies, looks like we have a supplier - anton you'll be happy. it's dyson rotary at labrador. the price for the lt8s is $900, lt12s $1000, tune $200, hand controler $175, laptop dongle $50. there is a slight hitch with dyson - they wont install the units the way we want them - ie as a piggy back so we can keep all the stock stuff. that's no problem though - i have the how-to install them that's specific for the BJ's, QS (i'm just volunteering you) can help with the bp's. mazcare couldnt match the price. mazfix will apparently get back to me as archie wasnt there at the time. i'm not holding my breath. if i dont hear back from mazfix by 4pm i'll ring up dyson and put down the deposit. with the install, i was thinking an install day. we can all do our own cars and we'll do it side by side so that we can all check each others work. so, if anyone is wanting to pull out, you have til 4pm to do so. or if anyone wants to jump in at the last second, you have til 4pm as well.