Coilovers For Bj Ii 2.0l

[boostedbatman]

And to think that I just zipp tied mine to the strut and they are still working fine. I was planning on having a piece of metal to the strut to mount to but then couldnt be bothered at this point i have lots of things to spend my money on.

[tidy protege]

thats not a very encouraging thought, with the coilovers how much lower can you sit the car and how does the ride height affect the handling and ride with coil overs. Im guessing if it was low the ride quality would be **** house.

[boostedbatman]

Depends on the road quality. they are great on mild to middle budget roads but dont like potholes and speed humps as the rebound is pretty fierce with this and can make some pretty yucky knocks but generally they are pretty good but then you tackle a corner and there is an impressed smile all round as you test their limits and you remember why you bought them
I think I have dropped it all round some where around 60-65 mm measured to to the centre of the hub

[CRA23]

cant yours go lower pete? even tho i wouldnt go any lower but i just wanna know, im thinking of getting a set of the sa-1's there the same as yours but have adjustable damper.

[Astro Boy]

why do you want coilover for the street??? just quietly....

[tidy protege]

he wants it for street and i maybe considering a set as well

[Astro Boy]

Originally Posted by tidy protege

he wants it for street

yeah.. um.. that's the bit i didn't understand....

[platypus]

Originally Posted by Bourne Boy

yeah.. um.. that's the bit i didn't understand....

flexibility, not everyone has their race cars seperate to their daily drivers... but you knew that right?

[boostedbatman]

Originally Posted by Pope|z0r

cant yours go lower pete? even tho i wouldnt go any lower but i just wanna know, im thinking of getting a set of the sa-1's there the same as yours but have adjustable damper.

The front has gone down as far as possible due to the helper springs but without them I could go another 60mm or there abouts but then suffer driveability, whilst the back still has some 50mm of thread left plus the helper springs.
Its funny you know that everybody I know who has gone to coilovers on their suspension have since made the statement "I will never go back to spring/strut combos again". So they cant be that bad but most Jap coilovers are made to race spec and are not 100% suited to some of the bad roads we have here, but the overall experience is most definately worth it!

[CRA23]

the aim i have for my car sreetable car that is midly comfortable and go up and down mounains rather quickly, hence why im goin hi comp NA, i could say im building a car sorta for road rallys

[Astro Boy]

Originally Posted by ahb11m

flexibility, not everyone has their race cars seperate to their daily drivers... but you knew that right?

your right... i've got two cars without carpet, two cars without any sort of working ventalation, two cars with bonnet pins, one car without a stereo and one with a 'less than factory', a rally car that carries a spare tyre and a daily driver that doesn't, and two cars which have both been mentioned in Australian RallySport News and have both taken home tropheys for 'competitive' events....

The line between daily driver and race car is rather blured...

and if you think coilovers are the best dollar for dollar handling upgrade (or any sort of worthwhile street upgrade), then just have a think about wot it is your trying to acheive and wot else $3000 buys you...

Personally, if had a base model generic FWD POS, and wanted to go up and down mountains really quick, i'd be spending money firstly on tyres, then on suspension and allignment products, then on some decent brake pads and fluid, and unless you've got all that, then don't bother wasting money on coilovers... look, i know they're fully sik and all, but just think about the driving training you could do with the money you save...

and james, you're assuming my race car has coilovers

[goldsp]

haha , bourne im not after a rally car man and i would like to point out in your daily driver car its probably best you get a spare tyres as im sure its illegal not too have one

[Astro Boy]

Originally Posted by goldsp

haha , bourne im not after a rally car man

EXACTLY!!! So why go wasting copious amounts of money on coilovers???

and i would like to point out in your daily driver car its probably best you get a spare tyres as im sure its illegal not too have one

na.. if i'm going on a long trip i *might* consider putting the space saver back in ... might... but spare tyres weigh too much for a car with 1.3L of pure daihatsu grunt!

but that's my point... you'd probably save more time taking your spare tyre out than you would replacing decent struts with coilover... now i'm not saying doing that... but unless you've got suspension with adjustable everything else, then don't go wasting money of stupid coilover... if your going to do it, modify your original struts, save $2k, and use the money to buy better quality inserts than you would otherwise have with coilovers...

[tidy protege]

Ok mate he wants the car to handle a little and have adjustable ride height thats all he wants. You seem to see everthing from a racing perspective which isnt really relevent as alot of us on here only use our cars for road use.

Coil overs arnt easy things to adjust regularly but they are good for when you want to set an ideal ride height and every now and then want to throw the car around some corners.

I respect you might know a thing or 2 about suspension set ups with rally cars, but it really has nothing to do with driving in the road cars.

[Astro Boy]

Originally Posted by tidy protege

Ok mate he wants the car to handle a little and have adjustable ride height thats all he wants. You seem to see everthing from a racing perspective which isnt really relevent as alot of us on here only use our cars for road use.

FFS!!! I'm not looking at this from racing perspective... otherwise i'd say waste ya money on coilovers!!! I've got coilover on the front of the rally car, but not the back...

Coil overs arnt easy things to adjust regularly

so why do you want them for the street??? "look bro.. OMG some corners... let me just get out, jack the car up, change my settings, then we'll have a fully sik illegal street race couz.. ok???"

but they are good for when you want to set an ideal ride height and every now and then want to throw the car around some corners.

ok.. the minimum legal height is 100mm... so wots wrong with that... if you're going lower than that for the road at any time, you've got serious problems...

I respect you might know a thing or 2 about suspension set ups with rally cars, but it really has nothing to do with driving in the road cars.

Rally cars have nothing to do with road cars hey??? mmm... ok... last time i checked, rally cars race on REAL ROADS... not circuits... but thanks for the heads up....

Adjustable struts tops, fully polly bushes, fully setup front and rear sway bars, rose jointed rear end, lower ball joined front end, front and rear strut braces, front lower underbody brace, good quality tyres, RBF600 brake fluid, pads with over 600 degrees operating temp and a *proper* wheel alignment... then start considering better struts or coilovers...

[boostedbatman]

Originally Posted by Bourne Boy

Adjustable struts tops done, fully polly bushes done, fully setup front and rear sway bars done, rose jointed rear end, lower ball joined front end, front and rear strut braces done, front lower underbody brace, good quality tyres done, RBF600 brake fluid basically done, pads with over 600 degrees operating temp and a *proper* wheel alignment done... then start considering better struts or coilovers...
And Caster adjustable front poly control arm bushes

The other parts not yet completed are due to the fact that no-one makes them for the astina
So it basically looks like I qualify for Coilovers
Sorry about that

Originally Posted by Bourne Boy

so why do you want them for the street??? "look bro.. OMG some corners... let me just get out, jack the car up, change my settings, then we'll have a fully sik illegal street race couz.. ok???"

And adjustable ride height doesnt need to be taken to the rim of stupidity
Do you not adjust your setting prior to your races or do you just pull over mid race and set it up properly.!!
I am imagining that those who want to go with coilovers (which by the way the spring rates adjust with the height allocated) will know what they want to set it up with for general driving vs racing vs long outback cruising and then vs show setup
There is no need to get petty and be aggrivated by others comments just to prove a point

Originally Posted by Bourne Boy

Rally cars have nothing to do with road cars hey??? mmm... ok... last time i checked, rally cars race on REAL ROADS... not circuits... but thanks for the heads up....

This is what I am talking about this is meant as a constructive thread about coilovers for the TARMAC And the race tracks we use are made from the same compound that F1 and v8 supercars use not to mention Le Mans or the Japanese JGTC championship. It is our decision to roll our cars on this surface and I apologise to you for wanting a suspension set up for driving on this compound

[twilightprotege]

bourne boy - we know your point, hell i agree with you, but you have to remember they are wanting all show

very different line of thought from us - all go and no show

[goldsp]

no i dont want all show , actually i owned an awd car previous to the sp20 and the sp20 handles like ****. thats why i want coilovers to give it a bit more stability around corners

[tidy protege]

Originally Posted by Bourne Boy

FFS!!! I'm not looking at this from racing perspective... otherwise i'd say waste ya money on coilovers!!! I've got coilover on the front of the rally car, but not the back...

Bourne boy dont take thngs so seriously, you have your perspective i have my perspective, your perspective sounds like purely a racing perspective and my perspective is from a little bit of show and a little bit of go perspective.

Originally Posted by Bourne Boy

ok.. the minimum legal height is 100mm... so wots wrong with that... if you're going lower than that for the road at any time, you've got serious problems......

As for the comment about the legal ride height of cars being 100 mm, we dont intend on slamming our cars that low just abit lower than they currently are, stock our 323's sit up very high and in many cases even after you lower them they still are not how you want them. I have already lowerd my car 37 mm and the gap between the tyre and guard is a 2 finger gap and my car measures 17 or 18 cm of the ground. All we simply want to do is reduce that and pick up a little conering stabilty all in one hit.

I know some people who lower there more than i did and have some major scrubbing issue (even with the correct offset and wheel width), for that reason replacing the coil and strut in one sounds like the wise option because they work together better than just wacking on a lower spring on a facotry strut.

Originally Posted by Bourne Boy

Rally cars have nothing to do with road cars hey??? mmm... ok... last time i checked, rally cars race on REAL ROADS... not circuits... but thanks for the heads up....

Adjustable struts tops, fully polly bushes, fully setup front and rear sway bars, rose jointed rear end, lower ball joined front end, front and rear strut braces, front lower underbody brace, good quality tyres, RBF600 brake fluid, pads with over 600 degrees operating temp and a *proper* wheel alignment... then start considering better struts or coilovers...

WOW you know all your terminology but does half of that stuff mean **** to most of us who dont intend on sending our car sideways doing 120, some suspension upgrades are relevent to most of us here but not all of that. As a rally car drive you driver your car in a very different manner to us. Let me think when was it last time i hit a corner doing over 100 mmmmmmmmm not anytime recently

Originally Posted by Bourne Boy

so why do you want them for the street??? "look bro.. OMG some corners... let me just get out, jack the car up, change my settings, then we'll have a fully sik illegal street race couz.. ok???"

Lastly do not talk to me like im some half wit hoon that cant drive for **** and uses our public roads as a race track. You have nothing to base that off. I bet that you and your mates are the ones throwing your cars around coners and driving like "HOONS"

END OF RANT

[twilightprotege]

i guess you really need to ask yourself - how often are you really going to change the ride height? nothing against boostedbatty as he is in a different situation - ie intends to race the car - but i'm pretty sure since installed he hasnt changed the ride height.

if you want coilovers for great handling, you'll get better handling from doing sway bars, say king springs (although not my personal choice) and better tyres for less cash.