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24-01-2010, 12:25 PM | #1 |
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SP20 Astina MSP Turbo Conversion " New FMIC Photos "
Hi everyone,
Been a long time member to fordlaser.com. have had tons of cars over the years. the longest ive kept and owned during the time have been lasers that ive done bpt conversion and 1 very clean import bg familia. *** Just copying from a project thread I had started from fl.com *** I recently purchased this: I'll post up more pictures when they become available. After much debate, I have chosen not to install my BPT thats in my project laser and into my SP20, but rather turbo my exisitng FS-DE 2.0L (stock SP20 engine) due to the RTA emission laws Work Needed to be done: - Replace clutch The pressure plate is getting a bit soft and clutch engaging is very jerky - Replace engine mounts A little bit of engine movement at present - Replace front struts The front end is pretty boaty at present, they need replacing - Removal of plenum and loctiting the screws to prevent the VICS failure Wish List: - Turbo Kit - Coilovers - Heavy Duty Clutch with Flywheel Machined Last edited by familiagtx; 09-11-2011 at 09:49 PM. |
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24-01-2010, 12:26 PM | #2 |
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I have purchased a turbo kit from a American Delivered "Mazdaspeed Protege 2003.5 MSP"
- factory turbo cast manifold - factory garrett T2554R turbo - factory cast exhaust dump - factory turbo plug in ecu - factory turbo radiator - factory intercooler - all the misc bits to make it happen Need to weld a fitting on the sump to make a oil return for the turbo It should arrive from Philidelphia in a few weeks. I will be ordering a BC Coilover kit. Got quotes to getting new front struts and springs arent cheap unfortnually. For a little extra, i'll be buying coilovers and replace all corners, Like these sp20 ones pictured below |
24-01-2010, 12:26 PM | #3 |
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i'll post up pics of the turbo kit on friday night.
Im not going to tear down the car back to nothing like i did with my laser. just adding a few additions and probably let joe @ hi-comp do all the work if the labour isnt too much and have the car off the road for 2 weeks max and it will be sorted and back driving daily. I'll get 3 dyno power runs while its still na and same after when its boosted. then have graph the na power output vs. boosted output. awaiting quote from hi-comp for the new clutch kit, changing all engine mounts and estimate labour cost of fitting the turbo kit (would be easily done in 3/4 of a day) |
24-01-2010, 12:27 PM | #4 |
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some new photos from 25/08/2009, courtesy of: zero cool (fordlaser.com)
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24-01-2010, 12:27 PM | #5 |
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update 17-09-2009
received all my turbo kit from a mazdaspeed protege from the U.S. today finally got a chance to get off work at a decent hour and see hi-comp performance. left the big box with all the turbo gear at the workshop and have scheduled to have the car dropped off on saturday, ready for working on first thing monday. I'll do my best to pop in and get some progess shots. here are a few pics off the person that i purchased the kit from. |
24-01-2010, 12:28 PM | #6 |
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got a update.
The factory mazdaspeed protege ecu does not plug into the aussie sp20's loom as once thought. the connectors are totally different. In saying that, I have bitten the bullet and have gone ahead with getting a ems stinger installed and tuned. a expense that was unexpected. The u.s. non turbo and turbo protege's, when people do conversions, all they do is switch the ecu and utilise the same afm, loom, etc... I'll try to offload it back the u.s. |
24-01-2010, 12:28 PM | #7 |
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just another update.
visted the car again today. since the ecu didnt fit as once thought, they got all the bits and did a dummy fit to see whether all the hardware fits. lucky enough all the manifolds and turbo and water and oil lines fit perfect. paid a deposit to get the ems stinger 4 ordered. tomorrow all the turbo bits should be all bolted up. ecu should be up and running by the end of the week, at this stage, it should be finished tuning by wednesday next week |
24-01-2010, 12:29 PM | #8 |
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i did my best to obtain as much info as we can, but because the MSP protege is widely available to the americans, there is not 2 much info that ive been able to find.
I was very confident on all the hardware fitting up perfect eg: - water lines - oil lines - turbo exhaust manifold - turbo - dump pipe and connecting to the original exhaust - msp radiator thats shorter than stock to allow room for the front mount intercooler - msp fmic, that mounts on the side of the msp radiator and condensor. i could not get enough info or people off forums to communicate to help me out with getting pics of the ecu and pics of the ecu socket, that i could compare with. alot of the protege owners go straight for aftermarket ecu's. thats probably the partial reason why their was a lack of info on the ecu side of things. either way, I am going down a better path, but its starting to dig deep into my pockets early. im using the standard cams and stupid variable intake plenum. I only have been reading recently that the intake plenum off a 626 with a FS engine is a bolt onto the sp20. It doesnt have all that variable VICS crap. with the ems controlling everything as the car hasnt got fly by wire throttle, etc... we are going to control the variable VICS intake with the ems and whilst tuning, finding the best point to open and shut it to. If it becomes a pain, I'll install a new intake plenum off a 626 and get the car retuned as the map load value point would be altered with a different plenum |
24-01-2010, 12:30 PM | #9 |
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25/09/2009
the SP20 did a whopping 71kW at the wheels (non turbo) LOL Joe @ Hi-Comp Performance stored the dyno sheet, so next week when it runs turbo, on one of the dyno sheets, he'll compare non turbo to turbo. just visited hi-comp while out getting lunch here are some pics i took with my phone. |
24-01-2010, 12:30 PM | #10 |
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25/09/2009
still a backorder from bc. so just sitting tight and waiting patiently, and to be honest with the unexpected cost of using a aftermarket ecu... the backorder couldnt be more perfect. It'll give me a chance to pay this off a bit before I pay for the rest of the coilovers |
24-01-2010, 12:31 PM | #11 |
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01/10/2009
update visited the car today. the ems is wired up, and triggering properly with the modification made intake camshaft sensor. car starts up and runs, currently on a base map not tuned. since the ecu install, the factory tacho is not working correctly. this is one thing that the auto sparky is visiting to get this working correctly. new pics from my visit today. |
24-01-2010, 12:32 PM | #12 |
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Here is a link to youtube.
The first few mins of the car getting on the dyno with a base tune, still with the factory non turbo fuel system. Due to the injectors maxxing out at 4000rpm @ 10psi with the run shown, only small light and medium throttle tuning was performed until a rescheduled date with the new parts on updated 24/01/2010 ** Run was with standard VICS manifold ** http://www.youtube.com/v/3KhlcWPG7UI |
24-01-2010, 12:33 PM | #13 |
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update.
- installed wrx 440cc top feed injectors, replacing the stock non turbo injectors - swapped the cam gears around today as we modified the exhaust gear with grinding the 3 tabs and drilling and tapping a bolt head at TDC, so the new ecu knows when to fire. So now the original intake cam gear is now the exhaust cam gear and restored the original sensor, so the non turbo ecu will have a rpm signal and now pretend its running the show. - we have moved the modified exhaust cam gear to the intake and purchased another camshaft sync sensor and have modified the rocker cover and added a 2nd camshaft sync sensor dedicated to the ems stinger ecu once the timing belt is back together and covers back on, we'll fire it up tomorrow and if no further mods are required, it is scheduled to hit the dyno tomorrow afternoon for continue tuning |
24-01-2010, 12:44 PM | #14 |
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Since re-doing this work.
The stock sp20 ecu is all wired up as it should be with the ignition and injector outputs cut off and now controlled by the ems ecu. The stock sp20 still thinks its controlling and powering the engine, but its not. Without the stock ecu + sensors, things like aircon, alternator charging trigger, factory tacho were not working. All the electrics are working in harmony, and no errors with the 2 ecu's. |
24-01-2010, 01:02 PM | #15 |
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After getting this all working.
The engine was peaking at 4500-5500rpm and losing power. This was after 20-30 dyno runs to get the VICS to open and close in the correct rpm range even. Second tuning issue was the lack of good source of vaccum for the map sensor, as all the vaccum nipples were giving off different readings. -- As I never liked the original manifold with the VICS flaps and reading on mazda247.com the massive improvement the non VICS 626 manifold does. I sourced one and got it fitted. The tuner said I dont think this is going to make much difference, and didnt really want to fit it and see me throw more money at it for no improvement. I showed him a back to back dyno run with someone's car with the original VICS manifold and non VICS. With that said, he'd seen some evidence that it will improve power, then was keen to see whether it made a big improvement as the dyno sheet I showed him. After fitting the manifold, He had to start tuning almost from scratch as the vaccum load readings were way off again. I'll post up the dyno sheet with the best run with original VICS manifold and non VICS manifold Last edited by familiagtx; 24-01-2010 at 01:07 PM. |
24-01-2010, 01:37 PM | #16 |
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Here are mixed photos since the conversion
Laser and SP20 together Last edited by familiagtx; 28-08-2011 at 09:50 PM. |
24-01-2010, 01:39 PM | #17 |
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Since these photos, I have purchased a good condition msp exhaust manifold heatsheild with mazdaspeed logo pressed on it... looks tidy
and a msp airbox and intake hose and brand new k&n panel filter |
24-01-2010, 05:12 PM | #18 |
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dude. lovin the write up hey. looks sweet. this is what i'm goin for on my car. but aim 4 200hp.
vewry nice and clean
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24-01-2010, 06:05 PM | #19 |
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very nice work! keep it up familia! personal performance over kw/hp ratings anyday imo
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24-01-2010, 06:40 PM | #20 | |
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you will need a strong built engine, 626 plenum or custom, fs-ze intake camshaft or custom, and par gearset to do it reliably. NaughtyGT, If the sp20 had the power of a non turbo bp kf/kh, I probably wouldnt of bothered going to the trouble of making more power. Didnt want to make it a loud N/A car to get closer 100kw, still wanted it quiet. The non turbo b8 4door kh laser I turned up in when I went shopping for a sp20, went harder than the sp20. But I still bought it |
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