Badger's Lantis Type R budget racer. - Page 4

Badger · 06-10-2013, 01:07 PM

As I said, I ain't in it to win it. If we were, we'd have bought a DC2 or an SW20. Richy and I always wanted to see what a Lantis would go like and it was dirt cheap and sounds awesome with a straight-pipe on!

There's a fairly prescriptive set of rules and nobody's quibbling about minor things, but the one car that has already been excluded for cheating had a close-ratio LSD gearbox fitted from a Type R Civic as well as a bunch of non-legal suspension and the car was already skating on thin ice as it was an engine-swapped car.

It's a fun series. Turn a cheap car into a racer by fitting some semi decent tyres and brake pads and go for a hoon, when people start spending big bucks on aftermarket / factory uprated components (not talking about you guys with the Pug), even if you already conveniently have these parts sitting in your shed from past projects or "connections" then it's all getting a bit silly when you consider you're only trying to beat a bunch of novices with clapped out old bangers.

Lantis racer · 06-10-2013, 01:11 PM

Hey 4dnut love the car looks well prepared. It sounds like a pretty cool social club are you going to have different members running each race or same driver each time?

What sort of lap times do you think the car is capable of? I was talking to another racer and discussing setting a time limit to keep the speeds down as we don't have cages? This would also stop people developing their cars to much.

What are your thoughts on improvement to the series?

Do you run video I just haven't seen anything on you tube looks like your bro made some nice moves in race 2.

Do you think the $2500 rule will be enough to stop people spending to much?

Also I have saw you wrote that you ran 2 small tyres I thought smaller was ok as one lantis ran 15's. I thought you running 14's would be ok?

Glad to hear you boys are enjoying the series I look forward to seeing you at future rounds.

4dnut · 06-10-2013, 01:22 PM

George, I wasn't trying to sling mud it's just what I heard through the motorsport grapevine. We did this as a team building exercise for our employees, afterwork we fluff around with a beer and car novices are learning from my brother and myself. I think this series is a great concept and does come down a lot to car choice, I think the Lantis with LSD is not a bad choice, it rains a lot when you go racing. We have chosen a good car but, man it does have its down sides. You have to rat around to find parts, can't just go to the local wrecker. We have done this on no budget,we were given rotors,brake lines,pads and a clutch. If we were hell bent on winning my buddy who is a paid driver would drive it, even I have gone a bit quicker than my bro but that's not what the series is about. But as I said before its a great opportunity to get back racing for him. I reckon it might have been good for everyone to have had to pay to register for the series,say $50-80ea. This would have given the organisers a pot of cash , because as I see it now James must be doing a crazy amount of work just for warm fuzzies. I also thought everyone having to buy a weight box would have been a good idea,up front add weight drop out of the top 10 reduce weight. I am hoping that this series is one of camaraderie, its just for fun. I like the thought of after the race having a beer and having a yarn.
Paul

4dnut · 06-10-2013, 01:31 PM

Tyres, we stuffed , we got given tyres same size as was on it. I am not a facebook guy so didn't see the list. Everyone uses 195/50/15 on pugs because they are cheaper/better than 185/55/15(we have some coming just didn't want spend any money ). As for times my buddy and I are quicker than my bro, but he is a very very good consistent driver not ultimately the fastest but consistent and easy on the gear. All we did last weekend was put more gas in the car. He is getting used to the car and neither he or I have driven a frontwheel drive car in anger When I drove it I had it on 2 wheels around turn one on one lap and lets say my backside was puckering. We have a GoPro, and will fit it next time.
Paul

Badger · 06-10-2013, 01:33 PM

Hear hear, and us too! We never even knew our car had an LSD when we bought it as we thought it was only a rare option on the Type R, but it turns out that it's a very common one as every one I've seen has had it fitted, but it's not the car to have overall and that's cool since we always knew we wouldn't have the pace to stay with the Hondas and MR2s and short of bolting on a hidden turbo or some serious work on the engine, we ain't likely to bridge that gap.

Yeah the car seems quick in the rain, but that's a happy accident more than anything else, and I think I got lucky in the first race taking advantage of other people easing into it.

But I'm not bitter about your car at all and I'd hate to see it ruled out because to my mind it's the coolest/nicest car in the field.. a real David against the goliaths, and on lap times we're on similar pace, so I'm looking forward to some good racing with you guys for the rest of the series

Lantis racer · 06-10-2013, 01:34 PM

Hey Paul I'm keen for a catch up after races car 8 mate. I went and watched the st race and most cars were gone. Glad you didn't put Jason leifting in the car he seemed really quick on Friday.

Love the weight box in the boot idea say starting at 100 kg for first and dropping 10 kg per place back you are in round points. I wouldn't mind a reverse race 2 grid for top 10 to 15. What do you think.

Badger · 06-10-2013, 01:38 PM

I'd love to see a reverse top ten! I reckon that'd really mix things up for the second race

4dnut · 06-10-2013, 01:51 PM

Yep reckon it would be quite good,25-33 minute races are more than long enough to see even more passing. I was watching at turn5 and a good crowd was genuinely enjoying the racing. 2kcup put on a great show. I would like to see BBQ/beer or something after racing. I think this would foster the group of people into helping each other, when I started racing I had already been involved since about 10yo. Once I started racing at 20 I had a reasonable idea on how to make things go fast, I was always open about what I was doing for shock rates/spring rates/pressures/ roll centres anything about my car.I upset a lot of people, I was young compared to the people I was racing against and I had a good car,I got accused of cheating but all it really was is a 2.0BDG escort is always going to be faster than hillman hunter even if Schumacher was driving it. There are some guys in the 2kcup grid with way more experience than me, but it is an opportunity for these more experienced guys to help novices sort there cars help them with driving etc, hopefully we end up with guys moving on into other categories.Oh yeah Jase was a whisker slower than me, he was not amused and wants another go. Said its the funniest thing he's ever driven

Paul

Badger · 06-10-2013, 02:02 PM

Paul,

I think the intention is do make the class more social etc, so I think that kinda stuff is coming. I think the first two rounds being V8ST meetings mean we're kinda shuffled to the bottom of the pile with regards to schedule. I should get a BBQ so I can hold an after-match function here in my garage... sounds like I should get you round and be picking your brains on how to overcome the Lantis' shortcomings!

Lantis racer · 06-10-2013, 02:17 PM

He will be to busy there George looking at mine and all the problems. Haha well the BBQ is a great idea and I'll bring a meat pack.

Lantis racer · 06-10-2013, 02:23 PM

I would like the reverse to have race 1 winner pull a marble between 8 an 15 out and that is how many reverse the next race. That means no one can race for pole and will create more passing at the front.

4dnut · 06-10-2013, 02:58 PM

I am no expert , and I always listen to other peoples advice. Sometimes you don't need to reinvent the wheel, most things have already been done. If I can help I am more than willing. I reckon Guys like Ray Williams will be so valuable, this is almost back to the old B&H days of production car racing, Ray raced then and will know all the tricks.

Paul

Badger · 06-10-2013, 04:36 PM

I was having a good chat to Ray the other day. He was pretty interested in the Lantis as he'd thought about getting one, but said he'd stick with the 405 for a couple of rounds and see how it went. It will be interesting to see how he goes, as a well-driven Mi16 should be at the pointy end of the midfield and hanging on to the tail end of the lead bunch, meaning I'll probably be doing battle with him!

4dnut · 06-10-2013, 04:53 PM

t thought he had a 306gti6 under way as well?

Badger · 06-10-2013, 04:56 PM

You might be right, and be scared if he does. I've been able to turn 1:24s in my GTi6 road car (bog standard) around Hampton Downs so I'd hate to think what a decent driver could do in one that's in good fettle (given Tony Roberts' one didn't seem in the best of health last weekend).

Lantis racer · 06-10-2013, 08:59 PM

Wow the top 10 is going to be hard to crack soon.

Clean_Cookie · 06-10-2013, 10:57 PM

Loving the discussion here! Wish we could do similar

project.r.racing · 07-10-2013, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clean_Cookie

Loving the discussion here! Wish we could do similar

Do it. Nothing stopping you in oz. Just add a $1200 6 point cage.

Lantis racer · 07-10-2013, 08:27 AM

If you ran it in Aussie you would be looking at less than $5000 per car, but you could run very similar rules just with cages as standard. The response here in NZ has been impressive with over 80 cars entering the class and even more looking to be prepared.

With pretty standard road tyres what tyre pressure would you guys be running?

Clean_Cookie · 07-10-2013, 08:30 AM

Hmm maybe with my current hail damaged daily.

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06-10-2013, 01:07 PM	#61
Badger Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Car: Lantis-R Posts: 40	As I said, I ain't in it to win it. If we were, we'd have bought a DC2 or an SW20. Richy and I always wanted to see what a Lantis would go like and it was dirt cheap and sounds awesome with a straight-pipe on! There's a fairly prescriptive set of rules and nobody's quibbling about minor things, but the one car that has already been excluded for cheating had a close-ratio LSD gearbox fitted from a Type R Civic as well as a bunch of non-legal suspension and the car was already skating on thin ice as it was an engine-swapped car. It's a fun series. Turn a cheap car into a racer by fitting some semi decent tyres and brake pads and go for a hoon, when people start spending big bucks on aftermarket / factory uprated components (not talking about you guys with the Pug), even if you already conveniently have these parts sitting in your shed from past projects or "connections" then it's all getting a bit silly when you consider you're only trying to beat a bunch of novices with clapped out old bangers.

06-10-2013, 01:11 PM	#62
Lantis racer Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Auckland Car: 95lantis Posts: 16	Hey 4dnut love the car looks well prepared. It sounds like a pretty cool social club are you going to have different members running each race or same driver each time? What sort of lap times do you think the car is capable of? I was talking to another racer and discussing setting a time limit to keep the speeds down as we don't have cages? This would also stop people developing their cars to much. What are your thoughts on improvement to the series? Do you run video I just haven't seen anything on you tube looks like your bro made some nice moves in race 2. Do you think the $2500 rule will be enough to stop people spending to much? Also I have saw you wrote that you ran 2 small tyres I thought smaller was ok as one lantis ran 15's. I thought you running 14's would be ok? Glad to hear you boys are enjoying the series I look forward to seeing you at future rounds.

06-10-2013, 01:22 PM	#63
4dnut Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Waitakere Car: Rs1600 grp2 lotus 47gt Posts: 8	George, I wasn't trying to sling mud it's just what I heard through the motorsport grapevine. We did this as a team building exercise for our employees, afterwork we fluff around with a beer and car novices are learning from my brother and myself. I think this series is a great concept and does come down a lot to car choice, I think the Lantis with LSD is not a bad choice, it rains a lot when you go racing. We have chosen a good car but, man it does have its down sides. You have to rat around to find parts, can't just go to the local wrecker. We have done this on no budget,we were given rotors,brake lines,pads and a clutch. If we were hell bent on winning my buddy who is a paid driver would drive it, even I have gone a bit quicker than my bro but that's not what the series is about. But as I said before its a great opportunity to get back racing for him. I reckon it might have been good for everyone to have had to pay to register for the series,say $50-80ea. This would have given the organisers a pot of cash , because as I see it now James must be doing a crazy amount of work just for warm fuzzies. I also thought everyone having to buy a weight box would have been a good idea,up front add weight drop out of the top 10 reduce weight. I am hoping that this series is one of camaraderie, its just for fun. I like the thought of after the race having a beer and having a yarn. Paul

06-10-2013, 01:31 PM	#64
4dnut Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Waitakere Car: Rs1600 grp2 lotus 47gt Posts: 8	Tyres, we stuffed , we got given tyres same size as was on it. I am not a facebook guy so didn't see the list. Everyone uses 195/50/15 on pugs because they are cheaper/better than 185/55/15(we have some coming just didn't want spend any money ). As for times my buddy and I are quicker than my bro, but he is a very very good consistent driver not ultimately the fastest but consistent and easy on the gear. All we did last weekend was put more gas in the car. He is getting used to the car and neither he or I have driven a frontwheel drive car in anger When I drove it I had it on 2 wheels around turn one on one lap and lets say my backside was puckering. We have a GoPro, and will fit it next time. Paul

06-10-2013, 01:33 PM	#65
Badger Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Car: Lantis-R Posts: 40	Hear hear, and us too! We never even knew our car had an LSD when we bought it as we thought it was only a rare option on the Type R, but it turns out that it's a very common one as every one I've seen has had it fitted, but it's not the car to have overall and that's cool since we always knew we wouldn't have the pace to stay with the Hondas and MR2s and short of bolting on a hidden turbo or some serious work on the engine, we ain't likely to bridge that gap. Yeah the car seems quick in the rain, but that's a happy accident more than anything else, and I think I got lucky in the first race taking advantage of other people easing into it. But I'm not bitter about your car at all and I'd hate to see it ruled out because to my mind it's the coolest/nicest car in the field.. a real David against the goliaths, and on lap times we're on similar pace, so I'm looking forward to some good racing with you guys for the rest of the series

06-10-2013, 01:34 PM	#66
Lantis racer Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Auckland Car: 95lantis Posts: 16	Hey Paul I'm keen for a catch up after races car 8 mate. I went and watched the st race and most cars were gone. Glad you didn't put Jason leifting in the car he seemed really quick on Friday. Love the weight box in the boot idea say starting at 100 kg for first and dropping 10 kg per place back you are in round points. I wouldn't mind a reverse race 2 grid for top 10 to 15. What do you think.

06-10-2013, 01:38 PM	#67
Badger Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Car: Lantis-R Posts: 40	I'd love to see a reverse top ten! I reckon that'd really mix things up for the second race

06-10-2013, 01:51 PM	#68
4dnut Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Waitakere Car: Rs1600 grp2 lotus 47gt Posts: 8	Yep reckon it would be quite good,25-33 minute races are more than long enough to see even more passing. I was watching at turn5 and a good crowd was genuinely enjoying the racing. 2kcup put on a great show. I would like to see BBQ/beer or something after racing. I think this would foster the group of people into helping each other, when I started racing I had already been involved since about 10yo. Once I started racing at 20 I had a reasonable idea on how to make things go fast, I was always open about what I was doing for shock rates/spring rates/pressures/ roll centres anything about my car.I upset a lot of people, I was young compared to the people I was racing against and I had a good car,I got accused of cheating but all it really was is a 2.0BDG escort is always going to be faster than hillman hunter even if Schumacher was driving it. There are some guys in the 2kcup grid with way more experience than me, but it is an opportunity for these more experienced guys to help novices sort there cars help them with driving etc, hopefully we end up with guys moving on into other categories.Oh yeah Jase was a whisker slower than me, he was not amused and wants another go. Said its the funniest thing he's ever driven Paul

06-10-2013, 02:02 PM	#69
Badger Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Car: Lantis-R Posts: 40	Paul, I think the intention is do make the class more social etc, so I think that kinda stuff is coming. I think the first two rounds being V8ST meetings mean we're kinda shuffled to the bottom of the pile with regards to schedule. I should get a BBQ so I can hold an after-match function here in my garage... sounds like I should get you round and be picking your brains on how to overcome the Lantis' shortcomings!

06-10-2013, 02:17 PM	#70
Lantis racer Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Auckland Car: 95lantis Posts: 16	He will be to busy there George looking at mine and all the problems. Haha well the BBQ is a great idea and I'll bring a meat pack.

06-10-2013, 02:23 PM	#71
Lantis racer Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Auckland Car: 95lantis Posts: 16	I would like the reverse to have race 1 winner pull a marble between 8 an 15 out and that is how many reverse the next race. That means no one can race for pole and will create more passing at the front.

06-10-2013, 02:58 PM	#72
4dnut Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Waitakere Car: Rs1600 grp2 lotus 47gt Posts: 8	I am no expert , and I always listen to other peoples advice. Sometimes you don't need to reinvent the wheel, most things have already been done. If I can help I am more than willing. I reckon Guys like Ray Williams will be so valuable, this is almost back to the old B&H days of production car racing, Ray raced then and will know all the tricks. Paul

06-10-2013, 04:36 PM	#73
Badger Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Car: Lantis-R Posts: 40	I was having a good chat to Ray the other day. He was pretty interested in the Lantis as he'd thought about getting one, but said he'd stick with the 405 for a couple of rounds and see how it went. It will be interesting to see how he goes, as a well-driven Mi16 should be at the pointy end of the midfield and hanging on to the tail end of the lead bunch, meaning I'll probably be doing battle with him!

06-10-2013, 04:53 PM	#74
4dnut Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Waitakere Car: Rs1600 grp2 lotus 47gt Posts: 8	t thought he had a 306gti6 under way as well?

06-10-2013, 04:56 PM	#75
Badger Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Car: Lantis-R Posts: 40	You might be right, and be scared if he does. I've been able to turn 1:24s in my GTi6 road car (bog standard) around Hampton Downs so I'd hate to think what a decent driver could do in one that's in good fettle (given Tony Roberts' one didn't seem in the best of health last weekend).

06-10-2013, 08:59 PM	#76
Lantis racer Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Auckland Car: 95lantis Posts: 16	Wow the top 10 is going to be hard to crack soon.

07-10-2013, 08:27 AM	#79
Lantis racer Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Auckland Car: 95lantis Posts: 16	If you ran it in Aussie you would be looking at less than $5000 per car, but you could run very similar rules just with cages as standard. The response here in NZ has been impressive with over 80 cars entering the class and even more looking to be prepared. With pretty standard road tyres what tyre pressure would you guys be running?