Improving the N/A aspects of the KL-ZE

[70NYD]

lol at the bankstown thing, i SWEAR i read at least 3 separate occasions on (i think all 3 on this website as well) in regards to them being **** and ripping ppl off..
why 3L KL?? you can get more than that by turboing the 2.5 KL (friend of myn has a 2.5KL in his 626 with what he calls a "mild" tune with around 450 hp or kw i forget at the wheels..)

[NaughtyGT]

Originally Posted by 70NYD

lol at the bankstown thing, i SWEAR i read at least 3 separate occasions on (i think all 3 on this website as well) in regards to them being **** and ripping ppl off..
why 3L KL?? you can get more than that by turboing the 2.5 KL (friend of myn has a 2.5KL in his 626 with what he calls a "mild" tune with around 450 hp or kw i forget at the wheels..)

wouldn't be 450hp/kw @ the wheels Tony I know an MX6.com member that gets 173wkw from his turbo ZE on 7psi. ZE's won't handle over 250wkw's mate & that'd be pushing 15psi @ least Gearbox & engine is maxed @ that point with very careful launches

[70NYD]

Originally Posted by NaughtyGT

wouldn't be 450hp/kw @ the wheels Tony I know an MX6.com member that gets 173wkw from his turbo ZE on 7psi. ZE's won't handle over 250wkw's mate & that'd be pushing 15psi @ least Gearbox & engine is maxed @ that point with very careful launches

hmm i c
il ask him for a dyno printout next time i c him
everything is forged and very very shiny (could also b stroked/bored IDK)

[Demanius]

because naturally aspirated is better for the track.

Like the porsche gt3 is better than the turbo, because its a track car, not touring car.

N / A is the best for front wheel drive track cars.

Honda type r dc 5 japan spec which is my fav honda, besides the nsx R, machine, ayton senna spec car lol, murders golf gti's turbos on the track, its proven n/a lightweight front wheel drive track cars are the best.











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[NaughtyGT]

Originally Posted by 70NYD

hmm i c
il ask him for a dyno printout next time i c him
everything is forged and very very shiny (could also b stroked/bored IDK)

be very interested to know the lowdown. If engines built I guess anythings possible

[Demanius]

and this stroker kit, with say a haltech computer.

Max 200 to even 240 kilowatts at the wheels.

This is insane stuff, plus lightweight astina, with lsd.

good for 12s to mid 12 quarter mile.

But im designing my car for the track, not drag racing, u either have one or the other.


My car will be insane, cause im insane hahaha

I love it. Lol lol

[70NYD]

haha love your attitude man
going on that alone this car build will be awesome
looking forward to it

[marcs_sp20]

Still dont get it, if you are planning on tracking the car, wouldnt your first point of interest be brakes & suspension being done? No point in having all this power if you cant put it to good use...

[Pattax]

Originally Posted by Demanius

because naturally aspirated is better for the track.

Like the porsche gt3 is better than the turbo, because its a track car, not touring car.

N / A is the best for front wheel drive track cars.

Honda type r dc 5 japan spec which is my fav honda, besides the nsx R, machine, ayton senna spec car lol, murders golf gti's turbos on the track, its proven n/a lightweight front wheel drive track cars are the best.











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Pretty sure turbo'd FWD's are best for the track. Just sayin..

[70NYD]

yeah rally is the ULTIMATE track and most (if not all) cars are antilag turbo
but non the less thsi will be interesting

[NaughtyGT]

Originally Posted by Demanius

because naturally aspirated is better for the track

It's broad (ignorant) statements like this that provoke the worst in forum debates Demanius. If you were to state this on any serious performance forum you would be attacked like lightning. Many of your posts for that matter evoke the 'Troll' warning light immediately. People, who are trying to comment constructively, trying to give sound advice based on their knowledge & experience, will fast become frustrated with these walls you put up

Are you asking or telling?

There is nothing wrong with building a powerful NA car. But you don't need to compare it to a turbocharged car. Their chalk & cheese. Immediately the NA build will be more expensive & more difficult to do. 1 example & I'm leaving it @ that. If you were to tell me you were hell-beant on getting 400rwhp out of your 1990 straight six auto Beema that mum drove for the last 150,000kms as a 2nd owner vehicle. I know you can do it but, whereas going turbo would set you back $10-$20k to get this power reliably on the road, NA may be 3x this cost. That is where the turbo/NA debate starts & ends. Period!

Performance is about options. It's about $$$$'s & options. Anything can be tried & done. If you want to do something different. You need to look @ the whole thing as a big-ass jigsaw puzzle. Doing just one part of the puzzle & leaving another out will leave you short in the performance department.

Mate the trans to the engine. Mate the brakes & suspension to the speed/power. Mate the tyre grip/slip to driving style. So on & so on & so on Make sure you follow it through to the end. Otherwise, it's not a project you're doing rather, a modification.

[70NYD]

This man speaks the truth

Originally Posted by NaughtyGT

It's broad (ignorant) statements like this that provoke the worst in forum debates Demanius. If you were to state this on any serious performance forum you would be attacked like lightning. Many of your posts for that matter evoke the 'Troll' warning light immediately. People, who are trying to comment constructively, trying to give sound advice based on their knowledge & experience, will fast become frustrated with these walls you put up

Are you asking or telling?

There is nothing wrong with building a powerful NA car. But you don't need to compare it to a turbocharged car. Their chalk & cheese. Immediately the NA build will be more expensive & more difficult to do. 1 example & I'm leaving it @ that. If you were to tell me you were hell-beant on getting 400rwhp out of your 1990 straight six auto Beema that mum drove for the last 150,000kms as a 2nd owner vehicle. I know you can do it but, whereas going turbo would set you back $10-$20k to get this power reliably on the road, NA may be 3x this cost. That is where the turbo/NA debate starts & ends. Period!

Performance is about options. It's about $$$$'s & options. Anything can be tried & done. If you want to do something different. You need to look @ the whole thing as a big-ass jigsaw puzzle. Doing just one part of the puzzle & leaving another out will leave you short in the performance department.

Mate the trans to the engine. Mate the brakes & suspension to the speed/power. Mate the tyre grip/slip to driving style. So on & so on & so on Make sure you follow it through to the end. Otherwise, it's not a project you're doing rather, a modification.

[mkid]

if you dont follow the advice as given above
your either gonna spend a lot of money and have a crazy powerfull car
or
have a crazy powerfull car and crash into a tree because the brakes suspension tyres arent good enough to cope

also the reason the reason that type R civics are so fast is they have been designed for the sole purpose of a fast light NA tuned car they also have a multi billion dollar budget
to design there cars so they dont car if a gearbox goes out or engine blows
they just throw anyother one in
the golf gti is a completely different car it does everything great and is the bench mark for a fast hothatch the civic might be quicker but the golf is more comfortable powerfully and just a better car
like above its chalk and cheese just to compare the two cars

[70NYD]

lol i really didnt read that post properly at all..
ok so starters
dc5 is a 2 liter 150kw NA screamer
gti is a 1.8 liter 115kw turbo (better fuel economy)
so the dc is 100kg lighter and more powerful... no ducking ship its better around a track and in a drag (btw key to turboed track is to have either low lag or to have antilag, which is the same sh!t for a drag so you can have both, just on differnt tyres )
now lets look at the car that replaces the gti (remember gti golf was top of the range performance golf back in the 90's, top of the range performance now is the r32 golf where as the gti is now more of a "sporty" hatch thats very comfertable to drive and very good on petrol)
the r32 golf is a 3.2Liter TC 180kw weighs 300kg more than the dc but that is due to AWD, butfcuk load of sound proofing and a bigger engine (still a very comfortable ride, much more so than DC5 remember its still a european car not a jap car)..
power to weight of dc is 125kw/tonne where as golfs is 120kw/tonne... so again no sh!t dc5 wins here, but thats purely cus of the extra weight.. if both cars had same drive setup or the same power/weight, golf would be better.
that being said DC5 has the K20 which is pretty much the hardest accelerating and most powerful sub 2L NA engine in the world.. this is acheived through variable valve timing and lift, not through more displacement
like mkid said, turbo is the cheaper option that will give you more power/better response in the end
there is a difference between NA screamers and cars with engines with such high reciprocating masses that they redline at 6000 rpm..
yeah honda NSX was a v6 but they used CF in the cylinder walls to reduce weight, superlight internals and incredible timing to get the power needed out of something that weighs less than a stock electric seat in a soarer (figuratevly speaking)

still lookin forward to the build

[project.r.racing]

this whole thread is turning into s@#t. lots of this is best and that is best for this or that application.

a 200bhp engine is a good starting block to work up from. i don't see why you are trying to mess with a good thing at this stage. be happy with the fact that is has 60bhp-ish and another 1000rpm more to play with than a regular V6 astina.

as marc said, brakes and suspension would be better options to look at currently.

as for a fwd track car. with no lsd fitted, it just ain't gonna exit corners with full power ever!!! period!!!

na fwd is best for track??? wtf???

n/a I4 is completely different from n/a V6. it's like comparing apples and oranges.

get it on the actual track 1st, then you'll know what is needed to improve it from there.

this is all useless until you hit the tarmac. round-a-bouts and side streets do not count!!!

[Demanius]

Dc 5 integra has 165 kw!!!

22o hp stock. Jap spec

with brembo brakes and lsd

double wishbone suspension all round

this car murders golf gti s

woooo turbo big woop.

Heavy no lsd, heavy on tyres

torque steer


the mazda mps, 3

nice car, touring!!!! Not track ffs

mps torque steers like a farked mule on the track


end of discusion, im telling btw


look up best motoring dvds, hondas are the best!!!!

Murders all the turbo, viagra wannabe track fwd cars.

Vauxhall vxr, turbo toque steers like a mule.

All you guys dont know anything about cars!!


Only ruperwrecht knows, your the best and i love you champ!!!


The rest learn, and b4 u jump off a cliff, because i know im farking right!


You chumps, even didnt believe i had a kl - ze why would i lie, chumps ffs

see ya later...............

[Rupewrecht]

Err, you'll find that the Honda wins because the handling is well sorted. You can have a 200kw atw Hardtop but you wont get any usable power to the ground without some serious suspension work - so all the power is pointless. My own car is only slightly faster than an N/A BA around Wakefield due to the lack of an LSD yet i have an extra 50kw at the wheels, and a setup that (sort-off) favours looks over handling. So don't hold me up as your champion!

[-dc-]

Originally Posted by Demanius

All you guys dont know anything about cars!!


Only ruperwrecht knows, your the best and i love you champ!!!

Is that y we r all able to advise u about what you can and cant do to your car without doing serious damage to you engine/gearbox?

What did rupe do that was so special?

[project.r.racing]

Originally Posted by Demanius

All you guys dont know anything about cars!!

You are right!

I'm so stupid, I just went and got a ****ty exhaust done cos thought I knew what I was doing!

I wish I was knowledgable about cars like you are!

[-dc-]

^^ ouch!