Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ Thread

[z100]

The car is designed and built by Cartel Customs, not official. Greddy or Uras? I thought Uras were doing the widebody, have Greddy got one too?

[70NYD]

yes sorry i meant URAS
my bad
was thinking of something else when i posted that

[70NYD]

Fcuk there is going to be one by greddy as well
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4817

[rodhog]

After looking at a new MX-5 again today. They should do a convertable because I then can fit into one.
Instead of having ot look at a Z4's and SLK's.
I don't mind being a bit gay but Not slow. Yeah I know Mx-5 Turbo was not slow I just can't fit my feet into

That Greedy one is too much. IMO too mardi gra float

[z100]

Prova BRZ

[Rupewrecht]

[Ice88]

Wonder how much theyll be

[marcs_sp20]

A few more found on the car carrier

[70NYD]

Mmmm world rally blue
Who knows how much they'll be. BRZ is already over capacity in production (Toyota gets bulk since they put up more money for project)
It can't be more than a top wrx (not sti) and shouldn't be more than mid range wrx
Toyota should be cheaper (starting in low 30k)

Let me clarify that
Toyota can sell this car in low 30, and that will bethe case more than likely a year from now. At the start they will more than likely way overcharge

[Cosmo Dude]

Originally Posted by 70NYD

Mmmm world rally blue
Who knows how much they'll be. BRZ is already over capacity in production (Toyota gets bulk since they put up more money for project)
It can't be more than a top wrx (not sti) and shouldn't be more than mid range wrx
Toyota should be cheaper (starting in low 30k)

Disagree. The WRX is based on an existing road car so there are plenty of common spares while all the parts on this thing only fit this thing. Toyota are going to have to re-train their service staff and stock a heap of spares. All of this will be added to the price.

[70NYD]

This car shares a lot more parts with the wrx/impreza than you seem to be aware of

[Cosmo Dude]

Have I forgoten how many RWD vehicles Subaru makes and how many people take them to Toyota for service?

[chicaboo]

Why don't Subaaaaaaroo have protective liners on the cars for transport???

[rodhog]

Originally Posted by chicaboo

Why don't Subaaaaaaroo have protective liners on the cars for transport???

Problery already been used so it was removed possibly photo shoots etc

well Subaru's are over priced from the begining. 90% of the reason being Fuji Heavy Industries Lacks the Typical Family involvment unlike Toyota and Nissan etc. When you consider or break down Toyota - you gent Denso - Panasonic and Nippon something or might of been a link into NEC.
You break them down in Japan and they are all Family linked - like Royality.

In comparrison to say a large US type like FORD. When they contract out - They contract out. So On these odel cars Will contain "INA" Wheel bearings but the strut bearings will be Timken and on this model it will be INA strut bearings and TIMKEN etc. But we will sell These parts to MAZDA on the world chasis and Volvo to ease costs. Well it did and will more likely occur in the future like that.


I must say I'm surprised they are willing ot go agaisnt there AWD moto here - when they dropped the FWD cars they put them seleves into a market and now they are going to move away. I suspect to see FWD Imprezzas again and Libertys. They do need ot because lets face it 90% of there cars carry extra weight and cost for somthing 90% of the main market for them cars Don't require in All wheel drive grip.

[z100]

Originally Posted by rodhog

I must say I'm surprised they are willing ot go agaisnt there AWD moto here - when they dropped the FWD cars they put them seleves into a market and now they are going to move away. I suspect to see FWD Imprezzas again and Libertys. They do need ot because lets face it 90% of there cars carry extra weight and cost for somthing 90% of the main market for them cars Don't require in All wheel drive grip.

Funny you mention that, in the US the advertising tag line for Subaru is "Confidence in Motion". No mention of 4 wheel or all-wheel drive, just implied. Subaru OZ on the other hand has "All 4 the Driver", little more descriptive. Really think Subaru OZ will have a tougher time marketing the BRZ.
However, really can't see Subaru dropping the AWD anytime soon as it gives them a key point of difference.

[chicaboo]

When Subaru were selling FWD Imprezzas and Leones, they had something like a 1.3% market share in the early and mid 90s. The shift to a complete AWD range hasn't hurt them in any way!

[70NYD]

Originally Posted by Cosmo Dude

Have I forgoten how many RWD vehicles Subaru makes and how many people take them to Toyota for service?

Your right, I forgot how many trained and certified mechanics only know how to work on only one type of car.

[z100]

Nice feature on the TRD GT 86.

[marcs_sp20]

Originally Posted by z100

Nice feature on the TRD GT 86.

Now thats hot!

Originally Posted by 70NYD

This car shares a lot more parts with the wrx/impreza than you seem to be aware of

Care to clarify? Seeing as the BRZ is a new chassis, motor etc...

[70NYD]

It's not a new chassis, it's a shortened and modified impreza chassis. Still made of steel, not like it's a carbon fiber monocoque with a space frame.. The engine is a boxer, very similar to the fb in the current forrester. RWD means its less complicated drivetrain than a wrx, but in the end of the day a gearbox is a gearbox and a diff is a diff. Most likely a throaway replacement item under waranty. It's still a piston engine. The only thing new is the twin injection. The suspension is macpherson struts up front and double wishbone at the rear. It's not multilink with inboard push/pull rod shocks and springs. And from what I have read, a lot of the parts are partsbin from Subaru, since the initial purpose of this joint venture from Subaru and Toyota was a affordable sports car, not a exotic hypercar
None of these are drastic changes, and there are changes here (such as twin injection to incorporate direct injection) that most if not all car companies will have to incorporate sooner or later to improve fuel economy.
All of these changes but are like any other ones when a new engine or car gets introduced.
So I don't see how this car is anything special to the dealership maintenance side, if they have qualified mechanics.