Not Happy - Engine replaced in my SP20

bradsp20 · 08-10-2009, 07:32 PM

Hi Everyone,

I cant believe it but I currently have my 2002 Mazda SP20 Protege at the mechanic getting a reconditioned engine installed.
Been told there is serious problems with the Cranks and 3 engine mounts have broken... Also need the clutch replaced as well.

All up im forking out $6K for the engine, clutch kit and ofcourse the killer "labour"....

Not happy Jan

Just reached 100K on my car as well

chicaboo · 08-10-2009, 07:47 PM

I was told VICS did your engine in? How is it the crank is stuffed?

Gav.

bradsp20 · 08-10-2009, 07:52 PM

VICS???? wtf?

chicaboo · 08-10-2009, 08:00 PM

Yeah VICS, you rub it on your chest.

VICS - Variable Intake Charge System. Little butterflies - held in with sticky tape, blutac and hope - that have a very high chance of their screws letting go, causing them to go into your engine and damage the pistons, valves and plugs.

Gav.

Orion · 08-10-2009, 09:59 PM

Damn!! $6k seems high for an engine replacement (even including labour)

Mark had his VICS damage repaired for under $3k. I dont think that he got a replacement engine but I dont think that SP20 engines are worth $3k either.

project.r.racing · 08-10-2009, 10:03 PM

go get a 2nd quote from another mechanic.

woofy · 08-10-2009, 10:12 PM

Jeebus, sorry to hear what happened to Blackie, our bluey is off with someone unknown in Melb....it was at 90k when we traded it last Nov......although it seems the SE20s escaped a lot of this kinda crap.....what happened to your engine?

spenaroo · 08-10-2009, 10:20 PM

engine swap to something with a bit more punch?
don't know of anything for an sp20, but if u got to do something y not go big
thats my motto

marcs_sp20 · 08-10-2009, 10:26 PM

sucks to hear mate, i really know the feeling

the repairs to mine were $3300 including labour, in which they reconditioned the head, rebored number 3 bore, new valves and piston, new belts...

The car now runs VICS-less, and the car runs fine apart from the little power spike u get @ 5500rpm...

Cheers,
marc

rodhog · 08-10-2009, 11:10 PM

6K - I did whole Bottom end -foggess - x-rayed and I can go on etc and that included labour. in and out cost me a little more for the microtech but it also included a recond and hi-flowed turbo on a F2T.

Your gettign RIppped sideways.

reocnditioned engine from B&M is only $2.3K last I checked for a FS plus approx max $800 installed and removed and tha'ts sydney prices

Ring B&M higgingbottom or similar engine reconditioners. I'm sure they ain't 4K now.

Orion · 09-10-2009, 12:44 AM

Engines aren't THAT expensive:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Mazda-323-2-0...d=p3286.c0.m14

DavoAust · 09-10-2009, 12:46 AM

$6k is pretty steep. For that you'd want a microtech and tuning as well!

bradsp20 · 09-10-2009, 11:29 AM

Just got off the phone from the mechanic....
I wont know till Tues roughly what extent is wrong with the engine...
its currently at a Recon Engine Mechanic who is inspecting to see if its just the bearings or if its going to be the crank....
Fingers crossed its the Bearings and will be re quoted...

Orion · 09-10-2009, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bradsp20

Just got off the phone from the mechanic....
I wont know till Tues roughly what extent is wrong with the engine...
its currently at a Recon Engine Mechanic who is inspecting to see if its just the bearings or if its going to be the crank....
Fingers crossed its the Bearings and will be re quoted...

You wouldn't consider just getting a replacement engine.

I would think that just dropping on a replacement engine would be a lot quicker/cheaper than:
- taking yours apart
- figuring out whats wrong
- replacing damaged parts
- putting it all back together

chicaboo · 09-10-2009, 12:23 PM

The thing is, if the mechanic has already started with the tear-down, he is going to charge Brad something for it, even if he goes with a replacement engine. Having said that, I reckon a low k replacement engine is a better option.

Gav.

Astinadroxycuts · 09-10-2009, 03:06 PM

Too sus get another quote and

If your forking out 6k get something special

70NYD · 09-10-2009, 03:13 PM

yeah dude for 6k u could probably get a turbo for it

bradsp20 · 10-11-2009, 01:53 PM

Ok,

Got her back after 1 month off the road.
Had a full engine Rebuild - Recon....
Mechanic showed me
3 engine mounts gone
Bearings gone...
The Crank was Crack...
and the Block was damaged as well.... so a 2nd hand engine was purchased
and had it recon'd...

Together with this had to get the clutch replaced as well.... and a full 100K service completed on the car....

She is purring like a beast now...
all came with a 2 year warranty....
got running oil in her for the next 600K's then need to get it flushed....

chicaboo · 10-11-2009, 02:06 PM

Did he do the VICS screws?

marcs_sp20 · 10-11-2009, 04:05 PM

how much did it set you back brad?

08-10-2009, 07:32 PM	#1
bradsp20 AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Sans Souci Car: sp20 Posts: 468 View Photos By: bradsp20	Not Happy - Engine replaced in my SP20 Hi Everyone, I cant believe it but I currently have my 2002 Mazda SP20 Protege at the mechanic getting a reconditioned engine installed. Been told there is serious problems with the Cranks and 3 engine mounts have broken... Also need the clutch replaced as well. All up im forking out $6K for the engine, clutch kit and ofcourse the killer "labour".... Not happy Jan Just reached 100K on my car as well

08-10-2009, 09:59 PM	#5
Orion SP20 Member! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Brisbane Car: Mazda SP20 sedan Posts: 1,769 View Photos By: Orion	Damn!! $6k seems high for an engine replacement (even including labour) Mark had his VICS damage repaired for under $3k. I dont think that he got a replacement engine but I dont think that SP20 engines are worth $3k either. __________________ Exhaust: Autoexe headers; Custom midpipe; Racing Beat catback Engine: AWR mounts; Twiggy cams; Custom CAI; RR Racing UDP; Mishimoto rad EMS: Microtech LT-10; J&S Safeguard; Gearbox: MSP LSD; Fidanza flywheel; 5th gear Rims/Suspension: MX-5 rims; Tokico Illuminas; Eibach Pro-kit; Progress RSB; AutoExe STB Exterior: MSP front lip & rear spoiler; Matt V headlights; AutoExe grill; EDM tails Interior: JVC AVX-77; Autometer gauges; DaveBs; B&M shifter Projects to come: Engine rebuild

08-10-2009, 10:20 PM	#8
spenaroo AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: chirnside park, vic Car: 99 mx5 Posts: 407 View Photos By: spenaroo	engine swap to something with a bit more punch? don't know of anything for an sp20, but if u got to do something y not go big thats my motto __________________ what the astina lacks in power it makes up 4 in handling straights are good for fast cars corners are for fast drivers

08-10-2009, 10:26 PM	#9
marcs_sp20 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ipswich, Queensland Car: 2002 Mazda Astina SP20 2006 Mazda 6 GY Wagon Posts: 9,769 View Photos By: marcs_sp20	sucks to hear mate, i really know the feeling the repairs to mine were $3300 including labour, in which they reconditioned the head, rebored number 3 bore, new valves and piston, new belts... The car now runs VICS-less, and the car runs fine apart from the little power spike u get @ 5500rpm... Cheers, marc __________________

09-10-2009, 12:44 AM	#11
Orion SP20 Member! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Brisbane Car: Mazda SP20 sedan Posts: 1,769 View Photos By: Orion	Engines aren't THAT expensive: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Mazda-323-2-0...d=p3286.c0.m14 __________________ Exhaust: Autoexe headers; Custom midpipe; Racing Beat catback Engine: AWR mounts; Twiggy cams; Custom CAI; RR Racing UDP; Mishimoto rad EMS: Microtech LT-10; J&S Safeguard; Gearbox: MSP LSD; Fidanza flywheel; 5th gear Rims/Suspension: MX-5 rims; Tokico Illuminas; Eibach Pro-kit; Progress RSB; AutoExe STB Exterior: MSP front lip & rear spoiler; Matt V headlights; AutoExe grill; EDM tails Interior: JVC AVX-77; Autometer gauges; DaveBs; B&M shifter Projects to come: Engine rebuild

08-10-2009, 07:47 PM	#2
chicaboo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Logan prefecture Car: Touge monster Posts: 7,585	I was told VICS did your engine in? How is it the crank is stuffed? Gav.

08-10-2009, 07:52 PM	#3
bradsp20 AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Sans Souci Car: sp20 Posts: 468 View Photos By: bradsp20	VICS???? wtf?

08-10-2009, 08:00 PM	#4
chicaboo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Logan prefecture Car: Touge monster Posts: 7,585	Yeah VICS, you rub it on your chest. VICS - Variable Intake Charge System. Little butterflies - held in with sticky tape, blutac and hope - that have a very high chance of their screws letting go, causing them to go into your engine and damage the pistons, valves and plugs. Gav.

08-10-2009, 10:03 PM	#6
project.r.racing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: n/a Car: n/a Posts: 10,929	go get a 2nd quote from another mechanic.

08-10-2009, 10:12 PM	#7
woofy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Melbourne Car: Race Blue RS Octavia hatch, Black Santa Fe Elite Posts: 826 View Photos By: woofy	Jeebus, sorry to hear what happened to Blackie, our bluey is off with someone unknown in Melb....it was at 90k when we traded it last Nov......although it seems the SE20s escaped a lot of this kinda crap.....what happened to your engine?

08-10-2009, 11:10 PM	#10
rodhog Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney Lakemba Car: mx-6 626 Gs300 Maz2 was 95 KF BA-HT Posts: 2,024 View Photos By: rodhog	6K - I did whole Bottom end -foggess - x-rayed and I can go on etc and that included labour. in and out cost me a little more for the microtech but it also included a recond and hi-flowed turbo on a F2T. Your gettign RIppped sideways. reocnditioned engine from B&M is only $2.3K last I checked for a FS plus approx max $800 installed and removed and tha'ts sydney prices Ring B&M higgingbottom or similar engine reconditioners. I'm sure they ain't 4K now.

09-10-2009, 12:46 AM	#12
DavoAust Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Brisbane Car: Red '93 3000GT / Black '08 Ninja 250R Posts: 2,930 View Photos By: DavoAust	$6k is pretty steep. For that you'd want a microtech and tuning as well! __________________ Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car and oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you take the wall with you. '97 1.8L Hardtop '93 3.0L TT 3000GT

09-10-2009, 11:29 AM	#13
bradsp20 AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Sans Souci Car: sp20 Posts: 468 View Photos By: bradsp20	Just got off the phone from the mechanic.... I wont know till Tues roughly what extent is wrong with the engine... its currently at a Recon Engine Mechanic who is inspecting to see if its just the bearings or if its going to be the crank.... Fingers crossed its the Bearings and will be re quoted...

09-10-2009, 12:23 PM	#15
chicaboo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Logan prefecture Car: Touge monster Posts: 7,585	The thing is, if the mechanic has already started with the tear-down, he is going to charge Brad something for it, even if he goes with a replacement engine. Having said that, I reckon a low k replacement engine is a better option. Gav.

09-10-2009, 03:06 PM	#16
Astinadroxycuts Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Australia Car: 93 323 Astina - Toyota Celica GT4 Posts: 211	Too sus get another quote and If your forking out 6k get something special

09-10-2009, 03:13 PM	#17
70NYD Veni, vidi, vici Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Brisbane Car: 1996 BA Hatch & 2005 RX8 Posts: 4,911 View Photos By: 70NYD	yeah dude for 6k u could probably get a turbo for it __________________

10-11-2009, 01:53 PM	#18
bradsp20 AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Sans Souci Car: sp20 Posts: 468 View Photos By: bradsp20	Ok, Got her back after 1 month off the road. Had a full engine Rebuild - Recon.... Mechanic showed me 3 engine mounts gone Bearings gone... The Crank was Crack... and the Block was damaged as well.... so a 2nd hand engine was purchased and had it recon'd... Together with this had to get the clutch replaced as well.... and a full 100K service completed on the car.... She is purring like a beast now... all came with a 2 year warranty.... got running oil in her for the next 600K's then need to get it flushed....

10-11-2009, 02:06 PM	#19
chicaboo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Logan prefecture Car: Touge monster Posts: 7,585	Did he do the VICS screws?

10-11-2009, 04:05 PM	#20
marcs_sp20 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ipswich, Queensland Car: 2002 Mazda Astina SP20 2006 Mazda 6 GY Wagon Posts: 9,769 View Photos By: marcs_sp20	how much did it set you back brad? __________________