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03-06-2009, 04:53 PM | #21 |
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22" isn't for me, just too dam big....16:9 ftw though...
The i7 is the future, I didnt want to buy something now and have it faze out too quick...but it will be the new greater processor... For the GP, it was either the 260GTX+ from XFX or the 9800GTX+, out of both, the 260+ was easily more overclockable...
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it will be a while before they i7 is run for programs and so on...they still havnt properly utilized the quad cores yet...
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03-06-2009, 05:47 PM | #23 |
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i7 is great for FEA i can tell you that much. models that take up to a hour on my comp can be done in no time on a i7 with heaps of ram
most programs that are HT enabled can use dual core quad core or i7 effectively, but most programs, such as games im told, are not HT enabled, as there is no need for it. thats just what iv been told by some infomech students at uni dunno how tru it is haha |
03-06-2009, 07:16 PM | #24 |
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I'm somewhat stunned ppl are buying monitors smaller than 22" these days. Lordworm recently bought a 23" 16:9 monitor and true aspect movies frame it perfectly. The 23" monitors are about 1.5" wider and 1/4" shorter than 22" monitors. For gaming a 22" is probably better, but 23" monitors are only slightly more expensive these days.
i7 CPUs and mobo's costs a bundle, and the AMD 920 and 940 (even named comparatively with Intel) perform just as well at around half the price. Touch choice. Gav. |
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its not appreciably bigger than a 22, but it feels much larger up close... took some getting used to.. don't think the i7 is really intended for regular desktop usage....there was talk of an i5 i think based on the same architecture, targetted at more mainstream desktop usage. IMHO buying a computer for future compatability is a bit of a futile thing to do... things get cheaper quickly, newer quicker things are out as soon as you unwrap your goodness.... buy what you can afford now...use it until it doesn't do what you want it to do, and then upgrade later.... i only recently binned my athlon XP 1800+ machine - cos for what I was doing it was doing fine... upgrade was more or less forced by hardware that was dying....and i just bought a middle of the row (largely hand-me-down parts from chicaboo's old machine) Core 2 Duo machine.... and i doubt i'll upgrade again for another 5 years or more :P Last edited by LordWorm; 03-06-2009 at 08:05 PM. |
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Yeah...true....that CPU is begging to be raped with more volts i think.....software overclock by 600mhz + prime, and the temps don't get hotter than at stock speeds.....
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03-06-2009, 08:14 PM | #28 |
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Yes, it does +600mhz without volts, but I find Intels like +0.15v for the first 600Mhz, and then who knows what for the next 600Mhz. But that chip will do at least +1Ghz, maybe +1.2Ghz. It's very promising that it's stable without additional volts.
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03-06-2009, 08:36 PM | #29 |
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noob question how do u overclock a cpu?
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03-06-2009, 08:38 PM | #30 |
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With a lot of research! Look at your hardware, find out what it's (safe) limitations are, and go from there. Not all hardware is overclockable though. I overclock my 2 Intel PCs by 600Mhz each. I'm not game to play with the advanced settings to go any further, but I have done for short periods of time. I've been up to 4Ghz on my E8400, but I wasn't happy with it's stability.
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good motherboards will have overclocking options - implimentation varies but basically you get bus speed selection and multiplier selection, and a variety of voltage selections etc.. then you go stupid and research which batch of CPUs does the business better than others (stepping numbers etc). And you go into matching components to compliment it (no point ramping up FSB speeds if ram can't handle the higher FSB speed - unless you want to run the ram asynch...which is a compromise) - and spend money on after market cooling (water cooling if you want to crank high speeds with high thermal loads and not have a computer that sounds like a 747 on idle...) I've not been big on overclocking for a number of years, but back in the day it was quite common to buy a cheap entry level CPU that would easilly out clock a top of the line CPU at 3x the cost...given that the way the big companies manufacture chips hasn't changed a lot i'd imagine the same is more or less true today.... There are risks - you can damage your equipment by doing it.... so generally you do it in baby steps, and bench mark/stress test the hell out of it to see if it is stable....chances are you can throw your warranty in the bin if you muck with it too |
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Only reason I invested in the i7 is because Brooke will be doing some high tide rendering with filters and the such...and the old crappy Pent 4 Celeron didn't like load at all... To Intel is leaving AMD in the dust, especially with reliability and compatibility I personally dont think buying for the future is a bad thing, obviously it will move along but take DDR2 for example, 3 years ago it was the thing, now DDR3 is moving up and DDR5 is on the cards As for monitors, its very much a personal choice...i dont like moving my head to view the whole screen and a sit close enough anyway..its like buying a huge TV, sure its cool, but how much TV do you watch?... Overclocking, consider your warranty void, especially with GP's, my old ATi brang up a warning as soon as i started mucking around with it...lol As for water cooling..."YUCK"!!! I have been yet to see anyone using as effectively as a V8 coolermaster or alot of other top notch A/M cooling systems..
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its also worth remembering that in the scheme of things, "ghz" doesn't matter... the AMD will perform more operations per CPU cycle than an Intel...thats been the case for a long while....which is why they don't need to be clocked as high for the same results. Also, some processors are better at some things than others... same goes for vid cards. It depends on how the software is written and whether it has been heavilly optomised for use with a particular configuration.... ALSO synthetic benchmarks are just that, synthetic....they only give an indication of real world performance... the gap between intel and AMD is not as big as toms hardware and the like would make out.... Quote:
To get the best bang for your buck, buy a motherboard that allows you upgrade path (something that will take a couple of better CPUs than the one you plan on buying initially.....because the chip you can't afford now will be an entry level chip in 12 months time....get something that supports plenty of ram, etc etc etc)..then just get "what you need" now....The money saved doing it this way means you can go and buy the most expensive video card good money can buy, and THAT is where you're going to feel the advantage in a system, especially if you plan on using it for games.... Up to you of course....but computer technology grows so quickly that you'll come out better being smart, and not just going for top end power workstation/game rig/server hardware that you simply can't take advantage of in the near term. Quote:
Final edit: water cooling is used effectively all the time. Get on some "extreme overclocking" boards and check it out.... its so common now it is almost mainstream. Its neat, tidy, and highly effective.... pumps are now available that are compact and efficient, and small radiators that work very well have been available for a long long time... if you haven't seen anyone do it effectively, you haven't been looking too hard.... Last edited by LordWorm; 03-06-2009 at 09:27 PM. |
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Ive talked to alot of render's/CAD/Modelers and they said that for reliability you cant go past Intel, plus for the MB, the options are there...I didnt want budget..i WANTED it to produce
In short I wanted to overclock and Intel is the better option...and it will do it reliably... Actually, if 64bit ever actually kicks off, you and me will be running way more then 16GB of memory, trust me...and with the way W7 is being talked up atm, it sounds like a bright future....finally... The MB i did get will support a lot of major upgrades in the future, but still has the potential to produce NOW!!!...I personally don't see the point in buying stuff that wont / may produce less when you can spend a bit more and get it to perform...after all, if you look at my setup, it ain't top notch but it will handle any gaming / pro photography with ease, precisely what I wanted...
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Your head is too small, I barely need to move my eyeballs with my 22" monitor just 2' away! For everyone else, buy an SSD to intall windows and your swapfile on. I might move to doing this some day soon. Makes it a pain in the bum installing software though. But you can change the location of your Documents folder through the administration stuffage. Gav. |
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Most of the servers that you see out in the world (or rather, dont see cos they are in dark rooms), that never turn off and chug away forever, are AMD. Anyone who says AMD are less reliable are fanboys, or talking out their ass. the fact is they are not. As for production. CLOCK FOR CLOCK the AMD will produce more than an intel of the same generation. look past the synthetic benchmark hype. Quote:
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A few extra points in **insert your favorite benchmarking tool here** is totally unnoticable in the real world... Not having a go...but seriously just suggesting you step back a bit and realise that even if you buy the best machine you can - it will be obsolete before you even unpack it...and a machine that was the 2nd or 3rd best you could buy is not going to be appreciably slower.... |
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64bit took off over a year ago. It now has priority on all software and driver support releases. And the best thing, it's significantly faster than 32bit! If you're buying 32bit, you're wasting all that RAM you want to get... Motherboards are a good place to spend the money. They don't lose value as fast as the other components in a system. The only problem you get is with revisions to socket types (90/65/45Nm...), which Intel has been a $#!Thead with over the last few years. |
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42" lcd ftw. /thread
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04-06-2009, 12:07 AM | #39 |
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speaking on this topic, is there any Sydney-ites that have a decent collection of media on their computer? someone that might share :O ?
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I didnt buy a top of the line system....just some of the components are more newer/ expensive then the other options I could have gotten...
Since I have already purchased the Case, PSU, MB and the CPU from my list, I think Im on the right track... My system in total will cost $1600 and I put it together, not bad in my opinion. Ive seen more expensive computers have less In all the points we have thrown out, nothing is truer then that the tech will advance faster then what it ever has before, this is true for every computer (which is why i personally hate computers, cars are better!!!) If you have the $$$, spend it where you want, if you want the newest iphone, knowing that the new one will be just around the corner, buy it...same goes for almost every other aspect of life, mobiles, cars, anything, does this not mean we dont spend the money because there will always be something better?...
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