Pinging On V6 Astina ??? Help ???

Noble323 · 08-09-2005, 09:56 AM

Hi,

For a while ive had some pinging noise in my car, even though i use that octane boost & use BP ultimate, it still pings - im not sure what to do or what i can do, anyone that can help me ???

Also ive noticed that it mostly pings after ive been driving it for about 15-25minutes and pings through out the day, im not sure - just a guess but i think it pings when the car is hot.

So please can anyone help ?

twilightprotege · 08-09-2005, 10:09 AM

boostedbatman (pete) is the expert on BA V6 ping.

skippy · 08-09-2005, 12:43 PM

how old are your leads and sparkies?

Noble323 · 08-09-2005, 01:47 PM

Spark plugs are about hmmmmmm maybe 6000kms old and leads im not sure, maybe there the originals i really dont know.........

But i know it was pinging even when i put new plugs in about 6000kms ago.

Toyboy · 08-09-2005, 08:59 PM

Try changing your fuel filter aswell dude,when they clog up they limit the amount of fuel getting through and could cause it to lean out and ping,cant guarantee thats the problem though.
Also check your timing,it could be advanced a little too far.
Good luck, Cheers,Theo

boostedbatman · 09-09-2005, 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twilightprotege

boostedbatman (pete) is the expert on BA V6 ping.

My car pinged for 2 years and we never really could find the source of the problem
We dont use a knock sensor to start with
If your timing is slightly advanced then retard it a bit more I feel that as these engines age they lose their effectiveness a bit (Are you due for a new timing kit)
Pinging is related to your combustion effectivity so I would
Start with a good dose of Subaru Upper Engine Cleaner
If you are using a pod style air filter..clean it
Have your injectors flow tested
Check Sparks for heat signs on the tip..... maybe go 1 stage colder
Stick to the same fuel al the time (burn rates vary on all fuels)

Other things to check are ECU codes (EGR, distributor etc)
Being a v engine with single feed fuel rail one side suffers starvation a bit more than the other and the pinging will rear its ugly head sooner due to one side being slightly leaner, a dual-feed steup helps this out

This is a start and there are more UGLY things that can cause these problems which are based around compression but think small for now

Caveman · 12-09-2005, 12:13 PM

Great info, boostedbatman.....

I've notice my BA V6 has been pinging a bit lately.
I'll have to check out all the things you've mentioned to see if I can sort it out.

Sounds like a common problem for the V6 then.???

BTW, can anyone recommend a place in Brissy to have my car tuned...doesn't seem to be running as well as it should be.???

Cheers

Noble323 · 12-09-2005, 05:40 PM

Thanks boostedbatman for your feedback,

But i tryd heaps of things even took it to Mazda and the idiots said that i need to put octane boost, seriously thats pretty stupid cause i told them i already put that in and always run BP Ultimate fuel,
* Spark plugs are changed,
* Fuel is always the same,
* Air filter is standard and changed,
* Plus i just did a full service on the car, changed everything including fuel filter

Honestly if you heard the car pinging when its bad, you'd say WTF !

Been to heaps of mechanic , all just guess - one said it might be my cat converter, was ganna changed it, but im just wasting money from other what they say .

And reguarding about other V6 having this problemi know 3 other v6 and they all say never has any noise or heard yet of any ppinging on there cars yet,

Dogo · 12-09-2005, 06:18 PM

have u checked the timing ?

it may have jumped a notch.

boostedbatman · 12-09-2005, 07:23 PM

Caveman, I would take my car to J&S Autocare at Brendale
Steve there will be able to help you out he is a family friend of Andys and has worked on my car numerous times. Between Joseph and Steve they have somewhere in the region of 26 years experience working at Mazda and they wont jack you around. I never got charged what I expected the cost to be
Noble323, only recently I had my cat converters checked and they were fine and I had many years of pinging and 220k on the clock. We have 2 cats on the KF just below the manifolds and I would doubt at this point that they are the problem (I'm not always right though

).
How smooth is your car at idle?? be picky!! If you have a few ks on the clock I would recommend changing the IM gasket the engine loves this.
But I highly recommend the carbon clean (Subaru Upper Engine Cleaner) its about $20 spraycan from Subaru and is easily the best on the market.

Another thing to get checked would be the TPS on the Throttle Body and the MAF ( mine just died and I got a new one) but now I will be running the Microtech without so I dont need it anymore.............bugger
Caveman where abouts in Brisbane are you from, I am at Stafford and if you are ever in the area feel free to drop me a line, there are a lack of v6 boys up here I may even have some parts if you ever need any now that the car is off the road during the KL-ZE NA monster build.............yup still going, and going..............slowly

twilightprotege · 12-09-2005, 08:49 PM

yeah mention my name (andrew bode) at j&s autocare at brendale and they'll help you. both joseph and steve started their mechanic life at grand pricks mazda at aspley

Caveman · 12-09-2005, 09:51 PM

Cheers Twilight, and Batman....I'll have to check out J&S Autocare then, sound like a good place to go to that I won't get messed around at.

Batman, I'm in Rochedale, but I do get around......I'd be keen to pop in and see the progress on your car, looks like a pretty awesome project so far.

boostedbatman · 13-09-2005, 04:38 AM

Yeah pretty awesome superslow project, I can never seem to earn the money fast enough
But I will get there in the end and it will be worth it
Pete

Caveman · 13-09-2005, 08:18 AM

LOL....isn't that always the way with cars...never enough money to keep up with the modifications we want to do.

Pulled a couple of plugs last night, and they looked a bit burnt, so I might get a cooler set. Also had a squiz into the combustion chambers, and there looked to be a fair amount of carbon build up in the piston face. Looks like I'll be heading to Subaru to get some of that cleaner.

boostedbatman · 13-09-2005, 04:17 PM

Thats the spirit
What plugs are you using atm

Caveman · 14-09-2005, 09:03 AM

Not sure waht sort they are....I'll check tonight.
They are the ones with 4 tangs around the electrode.

boostedbatman · 14-09-2005, 06:13 PM

okay???

Caveman · 14-09-2005, 06:35 PM

LOL......
Yeah, I guess that description was a bit vague.

Just checked....they are Bosch Super 4's PN FR78X

nupes · 15-09-2005, 03:02 AM

Yeah I own a V6 and have had pinging issues as well. I guess if you've done all of the above you could have a gas analyser done at a dyno.

boostedbatman · 15-09-2005, 04:53 AM

Sweet, I was using NGK Iridiums ZFR6FIX-11
I have always found NGK plugs to be a better spark than Bosch, Try and find even generic NGKs and see how you go

08-09-2005, 09:56 AM	#1
Noble323 E74A Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Sydney Car: SP20 Posts: 1,248	Pinging On V6 Astina ??? Help ??? Hi, For a while ive had some pinging noise in my car, even though i use that octane boost & use BP ultimate, it still pings - im not sure what to do or what i can do, anyone that can help me ??? Also ive noticed that it mostly pings after ive been driving it for about 15-25minutes and pings through out the day, im not sure - just a guess but i think it pings when the car is hot. So please can anyone help ?

08-09-2005, 08:59 PM	#5
Toyboy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: nsw Car: Ba Astina Posts: 1,113	Try changing your fuel filter aswell dude,when they clog up they limit the amount of fuel getting through and could cause it to lean out and ping,cant guarantee thats the problem though. Also check your timing,it could be advanced a little too far. Good luck, Cheers,Theo __________________ "Man who drop watch in toilet have ****ty time."

12-09-2005, 12:13 PM	#7
Caveman Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Brisbane Posts: 18	Great info, boostedbatman..... I've notice my BA V6 has been pinging a bit lately. I'll have to check out all the things you've mentioned to see if I can sort it out. Sounds like a common problem for the V6 then.??? BTW, can anyone recommend a place in Brissy to have my car tuned...doesn't seem to be running as well as it should be.??? Cheers __________________ I feel the need........the need for speed...!!!

12-09-2005, 06:18 PM	#9
Dogo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Melb, Aus Car: Mazda 323 BA BPT transplant Posts: 3,459 View Photos By: Dogo	have u checked the timing ? it may have jumped a notch. __________________ [ Turbo BA ] see my readers ride

12-09-2005, 07:23 PM	#10
boostedbatman Manpink Crusader Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Stafford, Brisbane Car: 1990 GD mx6 F2T, and soon I might drive the batmoobile once again Posts: 2,280 View Photos By: boostedbatman	Caveman, I would take my car to J&S Autocare at Brendale Steve there will be able to help you out he is a family friend of Andys and has worked on my car numerous times. Between Joseph and Steve they have somewhere in the region of 26 years experience working at Mazda and they wont jack you around. I never got charged what I expected the cost to be Noble323, only recently I had my cat converters checked and they were fine and I had many years of pinging and 220k on the clock. We have 2 cats on the KF just below the manifolds and I would doubt at this point that they are the problem (I'm not always right though ). How smooth is your car at idle?? be picky!! If you have a few ks on the clock I would recommend changing the IM gasket the engine loves this. But I highly recommend the carbon clean (Subaru Upper Engine Cleaner) its about $20 spraycan from Subaru and is easily the best on the market. Another thing to get checked would be the TPS on the Throttle Body and the MAF ( mine just died and I got a new one) but now I will be running the Microtech without so I dont need it anymore.............bugger Caveman where abouts in Brisbane are you from, I am at Stafford and if you are ever in the area feel free to drop me a line, there are a lack of v6 boys up here I may even have some parts if you ever need any now that the car is off the road during the KL-ZE NA monster build.............yup still going, and going..............slowly __________________ The Batmobile as she used to be and now she hangs from a chain in the garage

08-09-2005, 10:09 AM	#2
twilightprotege Driving a faster car now! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Work, always at bloody work... Car: Lotus ....... . Posts: 5,217 View Photos By: twilightprotege	boostedbatman (pete) is the expert on BA V6 ping.

08-09-2005, 12:43 PM	#3
skippy Resident Dissident Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Ole Sydney Town Car: Alfa 156 TS Posts: 1,197 View Photos By: skippy	how old are your leads and sparkies?

08-09-2005, 01:47 PM	#4
Noble323 E74A Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Sydney Car: SP20 Posts: 1,248	Spark plugs are about hmmmmmm maybe 6000kms old and leads im not sure, maybe there the originals i really dont know......... But i know it was pinging even when i put new plugs in about 6000kms ago.

12-09-2005, 05:40 PM	#8
Noble323 E74A Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Sydney Car: SP20 Posts: 1,248	Thanks boostedbatman for your feedback, But i tryd heaps of things even took it to Mazda and the idiots said that i need to put octane boost, seriously thats pretty stupid cause i told them i already put that in and always run BP Ultimate fuel, * Spark plugs are changed, * Fuel is always the same, * Air filter is standard and changed, * Plus i just did a full service on the car, changed everything including fuel filter Honestly if you heard the car pinging when its bad, you'd say WTF ! Been to heaps of mechanic , all just guess - one said it might be my cat converter, was ganna changed it, but im just wasting money from other what they say . And reguarding about other V6 having this problemi know 3 other v6 and they all say never has any noise or heard yet of any ppinging on there cars yet,

12-09-2005, 08:49 PM	#11
twilightprotege Driving a faster car now! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Work, always at bloody work... Car: Lotus ....... . Posts: 5,217 View Photos By: twilightprotege	yeah mention my name (andrew bode) at j&s autocare at brendale and they'll help you. both joseph and steve started their mechanic life at grand pricks mazda at aspley

12-09-2005, 09:51 PM	#12
Caveman Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Brisbane Posts: 18	Cheers Twilight, and Batman....I'll have to check out J&S Autocare then, sound like a good place to go to that I won't get messed around at. Batman, I'm in Rochedale, but I do get around......I'd be keen to pop in and see the progress on your car, looks like a pretty awesome project so far. __________________ I feel the need........the need for speed...!!!

13-09-2005, 04:38 AM	#13
boostedbatman Manpink Crusader Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Stafford, Brisbane Car: 1990 GD mx6 F2T, and soon I might drive the batmoobile once again Posts: 2,280 View Photos By: boostedbatman	Yeah pretty awesome superslow project, I can never seem to earn the money fast enough But I will get there in the end and it will be worth it Pete __________________ The Batmobile as she used to be and now she hangs from a chain in the garage

13-09-2005, 08:18 AM	#14
Caveman Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Brisbane Posts: 18	LOL....isn't that always the way with cars...never enough money to keep up with the modifications we want to do. Pulled a couple of plugs last night, and they looked a bit burnt, so I might get a cooler set. Also had a squiz into the combustion chambers, and there looked to be a fair amount of carbon build up in the piston face. Looks like I'll be heading to Subaru to get some of that cleaner. __________________ I feel the need........the need for speed...!!!

13-09-2005, 04:17 PM	#15
boostedbatman Manpink Crusader Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Stafford, Brisbane Car: 1990 GD mx6 F2T, and soon I might drive the batmoobile once again Posts: 2,280 View Photos By: boostedbatman	Thats the spirit What plugs are you using atm __________________ The Batmobile as she used to be and now she hangs from a chain in the garage

14-09-2005, 09:03 AM	#16
Caveman Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Brisbane Posts: 18	Not sure waht sort they are....I'll check tonight. They are the ones with 4 tangs around the electrode. __________________ I feel the need........the need for speed...!!!

14-09-2005, 06:13 PM	#17
boostedbatman Manpink Crusader Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Stafford, Brisbane Car: 1990 GD mx6 F2T, and soon I might drive the batmoobile once again Posts: 2,280 View Photos By: boostedbatman	okay??? __________________ The Batmobile as she used to be and now she hangs from a chain in the garage

14-09-2005, 06:35 PM	#18
Caveman Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Brisbane Posts: 18	LOL...... Yeah, I guess that description was a bit vague. Just checked....they are Bosch Super 4's PN FR78X __________________ I feel the need........the need for speed...!!!

15-09-2005, 03:02 AM	#19
nupes Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: canberra Car: BA '96 Posts: 66	Yeah I own a V6 and have had pinging issues as well. I guess if you've done all of the above you could have a gas analyser done at a dyno. __________________ Nupes 1996 BA White Hatch V6 Stock Racer's Creed "so close to death I like to get but so far it aint got the worst of me yet 'cause fast livin' has got me stuck in 5th gear and takin' it easy is my greatest fear"

15-09-2005, 04:53 AM	#20
boostedbatman Manpink Crusader Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Stafford, Brisbane Car: 1990 GD mx6 F2T, and soon I might drive the batmoobile once again Posts: 2,280 View Photos By: boostedbatman	Sweet, I was using NGK Iridiums ZFR6FIX-11 I have always found NGK plugs to be a better spark than Bosch, Try and find even generic NGKs and see how you go __________________ The Batmobile as she used to be and now she hangs from a chain in the garage

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