|
01-05-2006, 07:16 AM | #1 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: n/a
Car: n/a
Posts: 10,929
|
Coilover suspension vs. Replacement suspension parts
Coilover suspension versus Replacement suspension parts
After running on 35mm low king springs for the last 18 months, i have come to realise the complete waste of money that this was. Recently I installed a set of JIC SA-1s and found that the are far superior to the other springs. In all fairness I do have to say that the original shocks were still in and very well worn out. After installing the coilovers i found a: - 20% increase in mid corner speed, 30% increase in braking in speed, 50% increase in corner out speed, (this really was a surprise!!!) I have had no problems that other people have suggested about regards ride quality/harseness. I also have 18 inch rims woth 35mm profile tyres fitted. So i know about ride quality/harseness. No tyre scrubbing at lowered settings, (currently 55mm lowered.) I had massive tyre scrubbing in the rears on the kings 35mm. Turn in/toe in is awesome. Adjustable top ball mount give great flexability to the suspension and can adjust for the positive camber during cornering/turn in. Adjustable Top Mount, a must have!!! Turn in very good!!! All suspension parts move freely and safely!!! Even at this height, there is no scrubing on the rears, even with 18 inch rims!!! Now to the point of this whole thread. Coilovers are a massive increase in brake/cornering/acceleration. Why speed big dollars on new shocks, springs, camber kits when for 20% extra to get a product 200% better. D2 RS coilovers $1750rrp, Tein SS coilovers $2400rrp, JIC SA-1s coilovers $2200. Personally i would buy the D2 coilovers for my car as the have a excellent front spring rate over the Teins and are priced to sell over the JICs. Edit/ I should also point out that they are not other suspension mods on my car so this is a direct comparison with each suspension types. So it is a controlled test between the both suspensions. And the increase in speeds was versus kings/struts and not the standard suspension. As I have no other suspesion mods, I believe when all these are added, those speed increases will jump up again. eg:- rear sway bar, front and rear strut braces (both a must on hatches with coilovers,) and poly brushes. This thing will rocket out of corners and give the current passenger very brown pants. Drive safely, Ryan p.s. Thanks to The Bat for lending me his coilovers. You are the bomb and a great friend to have! p.p.s. Hi Catwoman, I didn't forget you. Thanks for puting up with me all day! |
Sponsored Links |
01-05-2006, 07:55 AM | #2 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Rathmines
Car: Was an Astina now a Commohore :-(
Posts: 903
|
i would love coil-overs but i dont think they make em for the BG
__________________
You can't race what you can't catch!! |
01-05-2006, 07:57 AM | #3 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: n/a
Car: n/a
Posts: 10,929
|
Quote:
Check out readers rides for more pics of how the car sits on the road. Drive Safely, Ryan |
|
01-05-2006, 10:27 AM | #4 |
Senior Member
|
i sould of followed you down that really nice twisty bits at the start yesterday, even tho you think you have pussed the coilovers to the limit you can still go harder, find a better line in to the corner, a LSD would help the out corner speed greatly 2
__________________
Corners are just that much more fun with coilovers...... |
01-05-2006, 10:32 AM | #5 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: n/a
Car: n/a
Posts: 10,929
|
I haven't reached the limits yet, look at this crazy negative camber at full lock!!! I still haven't adjusted the top inwards for and extra 2 degrees positive camber, that'll give me alot more front grip also.
it's good for another 6 degrees postive camber i think. but i only need 2 on the fronts and 1 on the rears. /edit/ 4 or 8 degrees i think, dunno with the JICs, pete or you can tell me by looking at the top mount pics??? Ryan |
02-05-2006, 06:44 AM | #6 | |
mew?
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: The winnar is SYDNEY
Car: one with 4 wheels...
Posts: 784
|
Quote:
Suspension needs doing in my car (needs lowering and the shocks are just about gone).
__________________
"Verily, thou shalt not take unto thine heart any words spoken by the Luser, for I say unto thee, their mouths spout naught but excrement." |
|
02-05-2006, 09:22 AM | #7 |
Awesome Member
|
I am interested too, depending on the time frame.
It's on my to do list (yes, I've seen the huge arguments on coil-overs) but I do plan to do other mods as I go. How ever I might as well do coil overs first rather than buy new shocks and springs when I lower the car. |
02-05-2006, 03:42 PM | #8 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: n/a
Car: n/a
Posts: 10,929
|
Quote:
to be honest, the group buy will not be any time soon, maybe 2 or 3 months away so it'll give peps plenty of time to save $$$. Ryan |
|
02-05-2006, 04:14 PM | #9 |
Manpink Crusader
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Stafford, Brisbane
Car: 1990 GD mx6 F2T, and soon I might drive the batmoobile once again
Posts: 2,280
|
Cant tell you what the camber settings are by the pics, unless you measure from the bottom bolt on the strut and then measure the distance between the marks for me.
As they were used when I got them (prior to rebuild) I have no information for you there. Add to that I actually had them ste to zero then used my camber bolts to get my camber. But Ryan just you wait till you start to upgrade the rest of your suspension system then they REALLY come into their own. You could almost add another 25% of your current improvements You will be amazed from what you are already As I have said before. When I addedall the mods to my suspension (including poly bushes) and very good tyres. It was virtually impossible for me to lose the car at any corner and/or any speeds. And believe me I really tried. And after all that I really never found their limit after 12 months of flogging. They are by far the best handling upgrade you could possibly ever do. And Thats a Bat |
03-05-2006, 06:30 PM | #10 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: n/a
Car: n/a
Posts: 10,929
|
Quote:
i know they have a long way to go, initial testing was done on softess shock setting, camber needs to be set and 2 degrees for fronts and 1 degree for rear, other goodies to be fitted and then it'll be more of a track groover, until then i say!!! Ryan |
|
03-05-2006, 07:07 PM | #11 |
mew?
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: The winnar is SYDNEY
Car: one with 4 wheels...
Posts: 784
|
I know this sounds like a pretty silly question to ask...
Can someone please explain exactly what the coilovers replace.. Is it the shocks/springs or just the springs? Or shocks? Like I said, silly question. But I am sick of not knowing exactly.
__________________
"Verily, thou shalt not take unto thine heart any words spoken by the Luser, for I say unto thee, their mouths spout naught but excrement." |
03-05-2006, 07:12 PM | #12 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: n/a
Car: n/a
Posts: 10,929
|
strut tops(teins excluded), strut+shocks and adjustable height springs - look in the wheel arch pic, thats all that you get
ryan |
04-05-2006, 12:00 AM | #13 |
Awesome Member
|
just saw your setup with your 18"s and the coilovers in the readers ride section deejayryry. I was curious about your ground clearance. Is that a legal height? How do you go about getting up driveways? I think I'll get mine a little higher than that. Looks awesome tho dude.
|
04-05-2006, 11:25 AM | #14 |
Pandaspeed Racing
|
looking tops ryan ... you are my envy ... this is really what hte club is all about, abusing the **** out of other peoples stuff ... i mean sharing hte love ... i mean helping out everyone else!
__________________
Life would be straight without twisties STOCK AS A ROCKET! •motor sport is dangerous and that accidents causing harm can and do happen and may happen to me. I accept the conditions of, and acknowledge the risks arising from, attending or participating in the event and being provided with the event services by CAMS and the Associated Entities I THINK I AM N2! |
04-05-2006, 03:53 PM | #15 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: n/a
Car: n/a
Posts: 10,929
|
savvyx - ride hwight not a problem. driveways and speedbumps are all good, bigger diameter wheels also help this problem!!!
nate - WTF? |
04-05-2006, 09:54 PM | #16 | |
GSL RallySport
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Brendale QLD!!!
Car: Cross 6
Posts: 1,835
|
Quote:
Just like Brisbane race clutches dont have a shelf, anything which is custom [now there's a fully sik word! ], will be better anyways... Speak to DMS, proflex etc about coilovers... failing that, buy the best insert you can afford (sachs, *import* KYB, ohlins, hell even the top end bilstein stuff is good), and make your own coilovers using sleeves... then get a set of adjustable strut tops from say noltec and you're laughing!
__________________
- GSL RallySport - Ph: 1300 884 836 -
Sick of paying too much for high performance brake pads? Want high performance and cold bite with low rotor wear? - QFM Performance Brake Pads - Also specialising in - DMS High Performance Shock Absorbers - Monit Rally Computers - |
|
04-05-2006, 09:57 PM | #17 |
GSL RallySport
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Brendale QLD!!!
Car: Cross 6
Posts: 1,835
|
hey ryan, had your sway link pin been rubbing on the your mult-link... just looks like it in the second last pic....
__________________
- GSL RallySport - Ph: 1300 884 836 -
Sick of paying too much for high performance brake pads? Want high performance and cold bite with low rotor wear? - QFM Performance Brake Pads - Also specialising in - DMS High Performance Shock Absorbers - Monit Rally Computers - |
05-05-2006, 08:29 AM | #18 | |
Administrator
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: melb.vic.au
Car: AZ-1, Astina Hardtop Turbo, BJ Protege, Beetle
Posts: 16,525
|
Quote:
__________________
jdmparts.rupewrecht.com Sourcing your not-quite-overnight parts from Japan WRECHT--|--SLOWTEGE--|--BEETLE--|--SUBSTITUTE--|--AZ-1 |
|
05-05-2006, 03:02 PM | #19 | |
Manpink Crusader
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Stafford, Brisbane
Car: 1990 GD mx6 F2T, and soon I might drive the batmoobile once again
Posts: 2,280
|
Quote:
Which are again a better looking part. Chunkier top of the balljoint. His exhaust does sit just off the lateral link though and does vibrate on it at times. Hehe dramas with sitting so phat |
|
05-05-2006, 03:08 PM | #20 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: n/a
Car: n/a
Posts: 10,929
|
Quote:
Ryan |
|
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
HOW TO: Installing Whiteline BA Astina suspension 'package' | deruss | Suspension & Wheels | 37 | 04-10-2011 07:34 PM |
[EOI] Australia Wide - D2 Coilover Suspension for the BA Lantis 94-98 | project.r.racing | Group Buys & Special Offers | 37 | 10-11-2008 04:44 AM |
FS: [AUS] BA Astina Suspension Parts | project.r.racing | For Sale/Wanted | 3 | 01-12-2006 06:30 PM |