Nitrogen Filled Tyres??

FOX33N · 25-05-2007, 09:35 AM

Hey all quick question..
My Tyres are filled with nitrogen or hyrogen what ever it is.. so it can reduce the wear of the tyres.. But now my tyres are flat..

1. Can i put air in the tyres althou there is nitrogen in there - can i mix them?

2. If i wanted to inflate the tyres with nitrogen, do you have to pay to get more put in?

Can you Help me..?

arden · 25-05-2007, 09:51 AM

Its a silly marketing ploy.
I feel it doesnt do jack.

bourbon · 25-05-2007, 10:30 AM

who suggested you do it? i dont no how it will effect the ware on the tyres as they are still moving on the road...air/nitrogen/gasoline/hydrigen or what ever you use in them will still ware at the same rate as it all matters on how you drive the car and how much pressure you put in them...

FOX33N · 25-05-2007, 10:43 AM

The stuff came in the tyres with the car!! all i know is i have 3 flat tyres and im flying through petrol these days

FOX33N · 25-05-2007, 10:46 AM

Found this:
http://www.toyo.com.au/tech_info11.html

bourbon · 25-05-2007, 10:57 AM

hmmmm yeah...thats for track and race cars...keeps the heat in the tyres...street cars you dont really need the heat that race cars do...

Cosmo Dude · 25-05-2007, 12:40 PM

Yes you can put air into nitrogen filled tyres.
Last I heard it cost somewhere in the range of $20 per tyre to fill with nitrogen.
IMHO the cost vastly out weighs any benefit.

Keeping your tyres at the pressure printed on the tyre will reduce wear and keep them safe. Somewere around the 32-36psi range.

bourbon · 25-05-2007, 12:55 PM

if you add up how often you would need to fill it it doesnt make any difference in price...they are just tryin to get extra money out of people...if your racing i would suggest you do it...not on everyday street tyres...

stewy · 25-05-2007, 06:25 PM

i agree with burbon,
if you are racing nitrogen is good but for everyday driving its a waste of money.

also what they say is true it will reduce tyre wear coz nitrogen doesnt heat up as much as air. so for the first so many km's of driving your tyres will be closer to the recommended pressure when using nitrogen then air. however for everyday use there is no need to use nitrogen.

stewart

Bear · 25-05-2007, 07:43 PM

I don't know about other people, but I'm happy with about 72% Nitrogen ...

Cosmo Dude · 25-05-2007, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bear

I don't know about other people, but I'm happy with about 72% Nitrogen ...

Yep but oxygen is smaller that nitrogen so you probably have a wee bit more than 72%.

As for the rest of you please stop talking about racing, you give people the wrong idea. AGT is about enjoying your Astina in a safe and responsible way.

milehigheric · 26-05-2007, 04:44 AM

As far as my knowledge goes, tires are filled with nitrogen to stop expansion. Air expands when heat changes, meaning that the tire can change it's shape slightly which may effect contact with the road and wear. As a student pilot, i know for sure that we do this in aircraft for that reason. Aircraft tires are filled with nitrogen to prevent swelling in adverse temperatures and dynamic pressure. Nitrogen prevents potential mid-air blowouts and creates less stress on the tire....

-Eric

bourbon · 26-05-2007, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cosmo Dude

Yep but oxygen is smaller that nitrogen so you probably have a wee bit more than 72%.

As for the rest of you please stop talking about racing, you give people the wrong idea. AGT is about enjoying your Astina in a safe and responsible way.

not talkin about street racing...i dont encourage that...i was talkin track work...

newman · 26-05-2007, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stewy

i agree with burbon,
if you are racing nitrogen is good but for everyday driving its a waste of money.

also what they say is true it will reduce tyre wear coz nitrogen doesnt heat up as much as air. so for the first so many km's of driving your tyres will be closer to the recommended pressure when using nitrogen then air. however for everyday use there is no need to use nitrogen.

stewart

please define 'air'... you'll find that the atmosphere on average has somthing like ~75% nitrogen anyway.

pr1mo · 27-05-2007, 01:03 AM

haha so true. they see you coming charging $20 a fill for nitrogen when your breathing it in right now! pwned. glad you didnt pay for it and got it in a car that already had it :P

marris · 27-05-2007, 07:16 PM

well nitrogen filled tires can mke a dramatic change in tire size for instance we dont run nitrogen in the fords and then run them 5mm under the lowest legal ride height and then in scrutinering after a raceit is well over it does make a huge difference if ur going to really use ur car

Cosmo Dude · 27-05-2007, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marris

well nitrogen filled tires can mke a dramatic change in tire size for instance we dont run nitrogen in the fords and then run them 5mm under the lowest legal ride height and then in scrutinering after a raceit is well over it does make a huge difference if ur going to really use ur car

Quote:

Originally Posted by milehigheric

As far as my knowledge goes, tires are filled with nitrogen to stop expansion. Air expands when heat changes, meaning that the tire can change it's shape slightly which may effect contact with the road and wear. As a student pilot, i know for sure that we do this in aircraft for that reason. Aircraft tires are filled with nitrogen to prevent swelling in adverse temperatures and dynamic pressure. Nitrogen prevents potential mid-air blowouts and creates less stress on the tire....

-Eric

So if the tyres are not on a race car or an airplane the only difference it makes on a road car is how much it costs to adjust the tyre pressures.

zappy65 · 27-05-2007, 09:53 PM

i have nitrogen in my tyres.....DO NOT MIX with compressed air.....its meant to stop tyre heat compression as the tyres heat up.....it does do alot but i say it doesnt outweigh the cost ($12) a tyre.....check for leaks and if your tyres are bald this would not help.....

FOX33N · 28-05-2007, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zappy65

i have nitrogen in my tyres.....DO NOT MIX with compressed air.....its meant to stop tyre heat compression as the tyres heat up.....it does do alot but i say it doesnt outweigh the cost ($12) a tyre.....check for leaks and if your tyres are bald this would not help.....

I rang up a tyre place Jax tyres and they said it was fine to mix them.. Now im confussed. by tyres have perfect tred they are only 1.5 months old!

But The guy i spoke to yea something could be inside the tyre thanks why the tyre is flat cause it's not ment to be flat after such a short time!!

Also thanks for all the help with this problem everyone... much appreciated!!

25-05-2007, 09:35 AM	#1
FOX33N AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In my car Car: a Car Posts: 257	Nitrogen Filled Tyres?? Hey all quick question.. My Tyres are filled with nitrogen or hyrogen what ever it is.. so it can reduce the wear of the tyres.. But now my tyres are flat.. 1. Can i put air in the tyres althou there is nitrogen in there - can i mix them? 2. If i wanted to inflate the tyres with nitrogen, do you have to pay to get more put in? Can you Help me..?

25-05-2007, 09:51 AM	#2
arden Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sydney Car: Suby Posts: 1,280 View Photos By: arden	Its a silly marketing ploy. I feel it doesnt do jack. __________________

25-05-2007, 10:30 AM	#3
bourbon The Hairy Mod Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: southside ya'll and North Side, Brissy Car: MINI Cooper S 2003 Posts: 8,110	who suggested you do it? i dont no how it will effect the ware on the tyres as they are still moving on the road...air/nitrogen/gasoline/hydrigen or what ever you use in them will still ware at the same rate as it all matters on how you drive the car and how much pressure you put in them... __________________ For All your crash repair panels & lights, clear lights contact us at PANEL HOUSE 45 RANDALL ST SLACKS CREEK QLD 4127 PHONE : 07 3808 8737 FAX : 07 3808 8735

25-05-2007, 10:57 AM	#6
bourbon The Hairy Mod Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: southside ya'll and North Side, Brissy Car: MINI Cooper S 2003 Posts: 8,110	hmmmm yeah...thats for track and race cars...keeps the heat in the tyres...street cars you dont really need the heat that race cars do... __________________ For All your crash repair panels & lights, clear lights contact us at PANEL HOUSE 45 RANDALL ST SLACKS CREEK QLD 4127 PHONE : 07 3808 8737 FAX : 07 3808 8735

25-05-2007, 12:40 PM	#7
Cosmo Dude コスモ Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Location: Vic Car: Mazda '95 Astina I4, '86 B2K and '10 3 MZR-CD Posts: 7,888 View Photos By: Cosmo Dude	Yes you can put air into nitrogen filled tyres. Last I heard it cost somewhere in the range of $20 per tyre to fill with nitrogen. IMHO the cost vastly out weighs any benefit. Keeping your tyres at the pressure printed on the tyre will reduce wear and keep them safe. Somewere around the 32-36psi range. __________________ My 'stina Hatch

25-05-2007, 10:43 AM	#4
FOX33N AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In my car Car: a Car Posts: 257	The stuff came in the tyres with the car!! all i know is i have 3 flat tyres and im flying through petrol these days

25-05-2007, 10:46 AM	#5
FOX33N AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In my car Car: a Car Posts: 257	Found this: http://www.toyo.com.au/tech_info11.html

25-05-2007, 12:55 PM	#8
bourbon The Hairy Mod Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: southside ya'll and North Side, Brissy Car: MINI Cooper S 2003 Posts: 8,110	if you add up how often you would need to fill it it doesnt make any difference in price...they are just tryin to get extra money out of people...if your racing i would suggest you do it...not on everyday street tyres... __________________ For All your crash repair panels & lights, clear lights contact us at PANEL HOUSE 45 RANDALL ST SLACKS CREEK QLD 4127 PHONE : 07 3808 8737 FAX : 07 3808 8735

25-05-2007, 06:25 PM	#9
stewy Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: perth wa Car: BG Astina and BG sedan(BPT) Posts: 164 View Photos By: stewy	i agree with burbon, if you are racing nitrogen is good but for everyday driving its a waste of money. also what they say is true it will reduce tyre wear coz nitrogen doesnt heat up as much as air. so for the first so many km's of driving your tyres will be closer to the recommended pressure when using nitrogen then air. however for everyday use there is no need to use nitrogen. stewart __________________ 2003 VY Commo new daily 1991 BG Sedan - Weekender === BPT (Garrett T2871r, Autronic SMC, 500cc injectors, FMIC, Forged Internals, Custom BIG front brakes Rx7 4-pot, Coilovers, Tuned at 250whp with lazy valve springs) She's a weapon.

25-05-2007, 07:43 PM	#10
Bear Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: not in a cave Car: 2007 True Red Mazda 3 MPS Posts: 224	I don't know about other people, but I'm happy with about 72% Nitrogen ... __________________ Mazda 3 MPS - True Red - 2.3L Turbo "It's a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I just beat people up" - Muhammad Ali

26-05-2007, 04:44 AM	#12
milehigheric Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: goldie Car: mazda astina 323 BG Posts: 100	As far as my knowledge goes, tires are filled with nitrogen to stop expansion. Air expands when heat changes, meaning that the tire can change it's shape slightly which may effect contact with the road and wear. As a student pilot, i know for sure that we do this in aircraft for that reason. Aircraft tires are filled with nitrogen to prevent swelling in adverse temperatures and dynamic pressure. Nitrogen prevents potential mid-air blowouts and creates less stress on the tire.... -Eric

27-05-2007, 01:03 AM	#15
pr1mo I MUST STOP MAKING STUPID POSTS! Yet I keep on making them. And I wonder why I get banned? Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: DansVille Car: auto Posts: 4,326	haha so true. they see you coming charging $20 a fill for nitrogen when your breathing it in right now! pwned. glad you didnt pay for it and got it in a car that already had it :P

27-05-2007, 07:16 PM	#16
marris Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Car: red bg astina Posts: 31 View Photos By: marris	well nitrogen filled tires can mke a dramatic change in tire size for instance we dont run nitrogen in the fords and then run them 5mm under the lowest legal ride height and then in scrutinering after a raceit is well over it does make a huge difference if ur going to really use ur car __________________ MARRIS I Love My MAZDArati

27-05-2007, 09:53 PM	#18
zappy65 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SE Brissy Car: Old: 1989 DOHC Mazda 323 New: Nissan 180SX Type X Posts: 2,135 View Photos By: zappy65	i have nitrogen in my tyres.....DO NOT MIX with compressed air.....its meant to stop tyre heat compression as the tyres heat up.....it does do alot but i say it doesnt outweigh the cost ($12) a tyre.....check for leaks and if your tyres are bald this would not help..... __________________ Today you will die and then you will know what it feels like to live... Straights Are For Fast Cars, Corners Are For Fast Drivers: Colin McRae Visit My Ride: http://www.astinagt.com/forums/vbpic...?do=view&g=319 Come see my deviantness....hehe http://dawnblade.deviantart.com/