Too much power captain!! RIP vanessa - Page 2

ROB-80E · 03-07-2005, 09:01 PM

You'll probably find they are the same boxes as in the Focus r something similar.

Rupewrecht · 04-07-2005, 07:02 PM

focus boxes have a different casing, but the G series internals will fit and vice versa (the pic hadn't loaded when i typed this!)

all the G series boxes (BG, BA, BJ) are internally different, unfortunately. just slight changes, like a different 5th gear setup, but it's enough to make mix-n-match a pain in the arse!

tidy protege · 04-07-2005, 10:00 PM

sad to here about your gearbox headaches, its a real shame that mazda never built a frontwheel drive gearbox that could handle your astronomical power figures, i have heard of turboed corrollas and hondas that can handle big power figures its a shame that mazda never got it right.

platypus · 04-07-2005, 10:34 PM

good time to revisit the awd again???

who is breaking awd boxes???

wiredone · 04-07-2005, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tidy protege

sad to here about your gearbox headaches, its a real shame that mazda never built a frontwheel drive gearbox that could handle your astronomical power figures, i have heard of turboed corrollas and hondas that can handle big power figures its a shame that mazda never got it right.

tell me about it

chicaboo · 04-07-2005, 11:05 PM

$9k on a Quaife sequential box doesn't sound so bad compared to $3k a pop each time otherwise on modded gearboxes... Also, $9k is a whole lot less than what you will lose selling your car and getting another money pit to start all over again. I guess it depends what you get out of your other than the expeirence of gearboxes.
Te be brutally honest, a custom car that you've made your own, is hard getting someone willing to put their money where their mouth is (offers are nothing until the money is in your hands). People are selling stock SP20s with low km's 2nd hand for under $20k, and then can turbo the car with one of your very own kits and get beefed internals for around $10k! So then they could have a safely turboed SP20 in a colour of their (limited) choice for under $30k. And they can still customise (assuming they want to) to an extent that they find desirable...
Do you get a smile on your face when you drive your car around just cruising? Oh well, that has nothing to do with your gearbox. I still smiled driving around the gay auto, but I couldn't get out of it what I wanted, and replaced it with a clone manual...
The choice is yours, all I can say is if you sell it, SELL ME YOUR INSTRUMENT BEZEL WHEN IT FINALLY ARRIVES PLEASE!

wiredone · 05-07-2005, 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chicaboo

... all I can say is if you sell it, SELL ME YOUR INSTRUMENT BEZEL WHEN IT FINALLY ARRIVES PLEASE!

word... lol

if it ever arrives... and i mean ever...

lol

twilightprotege · 05-07-2005, 07:53 AM

apparently they are molded now!!! i'll beleive it when i see it

andrewgrazier · 05-07-2005, 11:26 AM

hahah vanessa!
well
at least a 2.5 k gear box is cheaper than a real vanessa after a year! hahaha

wiredone · 05-07-2005, 06:40 PM

very true...

Nate · 05-07-2005, 07:07 PM

a mate offered to nitro treat my gearbox today ... he works at some hanger at the airport ... apparently they treat all the plane parts this way when doing rebuilds and **** ... do you think its the go?

chicaboo · 05-07-2005, 08:59 PM

Nate, your G series gearbox is supposed to be good for 275whp or thereabouts, you're in no danger of braking it any time soon. But maybe it's something to have done while the BPT conversion is happening down the track?

Nate · 05-07-2005, 09:16 PM

then why do i hear all these stories of broken boxes ... i spose thats about 200kw hey ... thats about right i guess

chicaboo · 05-07-2005, 09:49 PM

Doug has a daily 273kW atw yeah? And Bora has over 200kW atw also. You won't have 200kW atw any time soon kiddo, so I wouldn't be too concerend about it unless you think you're gonna go north of 150kW atw maybe...

wiredone · 05-07-2005, 10:20 PM

nate:

nitriding stuff makes it strong but also very brittle... bad for gear boxes... number one is a heat release to make it a stable dense matter then usually cryogenically treating or shotpeening or both...lol

ROB-80E · 06-07-2005, 11:55 PM

So do you know yet what has actually broken again in vanessa?

Nate · 07-07-2005, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiredone

nate:

nitriding stuff makes it strong but also very brittle... bad for gear boxes... number one is a heat release to make it a stable dense matter then usually cryogenically treating or shotpeening or both...lol

i see!

ezin · 07-07-2005, 07:41 PM

Why dont u get straight cut gears made up for 3rd gear since thats the weak link. It may be noisy but u dont cruise in it anyway. Thats the only way to get any real strenth through that gear. Notice the turbo box has a different diff set up than normal, but the main gears are still weak as. get an lsd diff and straight cut third gears and she should (hopfully) treat u as well as u treat her. Maybee time to upgrade man.

wiredone · 08-07-2005, 12:24 AM

ezin: at nearly $1000 a gear for billet for our box and nearly $2K for a strong billet LSD its not worth doing unless you do everything...

what if i pay all that money:
$800 for standard box
$900 for 3rd gear in billet
$300 for rebuild and new bearings

and after all that something else lets go and spreads nice little shards of metal into our expensive goodies.... the diff is weak too and so are the synchros (i have killed boxes in different ways)

Took an Evo 8 for a drive today... maybe time to move on...

ROB-80E · 08-07-2005, 09:19 AM

Just for interest sake....There is a compny in NZ making a straight cut 3rd syncromesh gear pair that's a direct bolt in for our boxes for around the $650NZD mark. Can find out more info for those interested...I'll be getting one next year some time.

03-07-2005, 09:01 PM	#21
ROB-80E Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: SE QLD, Australia Car: Turbo BG Astina Posts: 792 View Photos By: ROB-80E	You'll probably find they are the same boxes as in the Focus r something similar. __________________ BG Astina + GTR conversion + Microtech ECU + FMIC + 3" pipes and Exhaust x 21psi boost = 12.168 to the power of 326whp

04-07-2005, 07:02 PM	#22
Rupewrecht Administrator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: melb.vic.au Car: AZ-1, Astina Hardtop Turbo, BJ Protege, Beetle Posts: 16,525 View Photos By: Rupewrecht	focus boxes have a different casing, but the G series internals will fit and vice versa (the pic hadn't loaded when i typed this!) all the G series boxes (BG, BA, BJ) are internally different, unfortunately. just slight changes, like a different 5th gear setup, but it's enough to make mix-n-match a pain in the arse! __________________ jdmparts.rupewrecht.com Sourcing your not-quite-overnight parts from Japan WRECHT--\|--SLOWTEGE--\|--BEETLE--\|--SUBSTITUTE--\|--AZ-1

04-07-2005, 10:00 PM	#23
tidy protege Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: maitland nsw 15 mins from newcastle Car: wrx Posts: 879 View Photos By: tidy protege	sad to here about your gearbox headaches, its a real shame that mazda never built a frontwheel drive gearbox that could handle your astronomical power figures, i have heard of turboed corrollas and hondas that can handle big power figures its a shame that mazda never got it right. __________________ WR BLUE 2007 WRX

05-07-2005, 06:40 PM	#30
wiredone AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Car: Evo 8 Posts: 301	very true... __________________ SP2NV 03 Black Sp20 Turbo _____________________________________ To boost or not to boost - http://www.trafficmesh.com

05-07-2005, 07:07 PM	#31
Nate Pandaspeed Racing Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Brisney Land Car: BG SP Posts: 4,170 View Photos By: Nate	a mate offered to nitro treat my gearbox today ... he works at some hanger at the airport ... apparently they treat all the plane parts this way when doing rebuilds and **** ... do you think its the go? __________________ Life would be straight without twisties STOCK AS A ROCKET! •motor sport is dangerous and that accidents causing harm can and do happen and may happen to me. I accept the conditions of, and acknowledge the risks arising from, attending or participating in the event and being provided with the event services by CAMS and the Associated Entities I THINK I AM N2!

04-07-2005, 10:34 PM	#24
platypus living in the past man Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Newcastle, NSW Car: Subaru Outback 2.0 turbo Posts: 4,707	good time to revisit the awd again??? who is breaking awd boxes???

04-07-2005, 11:05 PM	#26
chicaboo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Logan prefecture Car: Touge monster Posts: 7,585	$9k on a Quaife sequential box doesn't sound so bad compared to $3k a pop each time otherwise on modded gearboxes... Also, $9k is a whole lot less than what you will lose selling your car and getting another money pit to start all over again. I guess it depends what you get out of your other than the expeirence of gearboxes. Te be brutally honest, a custom car that you've made your own, is hard getting someone willing to put their money where their mouth is (offers are nothing until the money is in your hands). People are selling stock SP20s with low km's 2nd hand for under $20k, and then can turbo the car with one of your very own kits and get beefed internals for around $10k! So then they could have a safely turboed SP20 in a colour of their (limited) choice for under $30k. And they can still customise (assuming they want to) to an extent that they find desirable... Do you get a smile on your face when you drive your car around just cruising? Oh well, that has nothing to do with your gearbox. I still smiled driving around the gay auto, but I couldn't get out of it what I wanted, and replaced it with a clone manual... The choice is yours, all I can say is if you sell it, SELL ME YOUR INSTRUMENT BEZEL WHEN IT FINALLY ARRIVES PLEASE!

05-07-2005, 07:53 AM	#28
twilightprotege Driving a faster car now! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Work, always at bloody work... Car: Lotus ....... . Posts: 5,217 View Photos By: twilightprotege	apparently they are molded now!!! i'll beleive it when i see it

05-07-2005, 11:26 AM	#29
andrewgrazier Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: newcastle Posts: 586 View Photos By: andrewgrazier	hahah vanessa! well at least a 2.5 k gear box is cheaper than a real vanessa after a year! hahaha

05-07-2005, 08:59 PM	#32
chicaboo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Logan prefecture Car: Touge monster Posts: 7,585	Nate, your G series gearbox is supposed to be good for 275whp or thereabouts, you're in no danger of braking it any time soon. But maybe it's something to have done while the BPT conversion is happening down the track?

05-07-2005, 09:16 PM	#33
Nate Pandaspeed Racing Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Brisney Land Car: BG SP Posts: 4,170 View Photos By: Nate	then why do i hear all these stories of broken boxes ... i spose thats about 200kw hey ... thats about right i guess __________________ Life would be straight without twisties STOCK AS A ROCKET! •motor sport is dangerous and that accidents causing harm can and do happen and may happen to me. I accept the conditions of, and acknowledge the risks arising from, attending or participating in the event and being provided with the event services by CAMS and the Associated Entities I THINK I AM N2!

05-07-2005, 09:49 PM	#34
chicaboo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Logan prefecture Car: Touge monster Posts: 7,585	Doug has a daily 273kW atw yeah? And Bora has over 200kW atw also. You won't have 200kW atw any time soon kiddo, so I wouldn't be too concerend about it unless you think you're gonna go north of 150kW atw maybe...

05-07-2005, 10:20 PM	#35
wiredone AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Car: Evo 8 Posts: 301	nate: nitriding stuff makes it strong but also very brittle... bad for gear boxes... number one is a heat release to make it a stable dense matter then usually cryogenically treating or shotpeening or both...lol __________________ SP2NV 03 Black Sp20 Turbo _____________________________________ To boost or not to boost - http://www.trafficmesh.com

06-07-2005, 11:55 PM	#36
ROB-80E Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: SE QLD, Australia Car: Turbo BG Astina Posts: 792 View Photos By: ROB-80E	So do you know yet what has actually broken again in vanessa? __________________ BG Astina + GTR conversion + Microtech ECU + FMIC + 3" pipes and Exhaust x 21psi boost = 12.168 to the power of 326whp

07-07-2005, 07:41 PM	#38
ezin AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: melb Posts: 416 View Photos By: ezin	Why dont u get straight cut gears made up for 3rd gear since thats the weak link. It may be noisy but u dont cruise in it anyway. Thats the only way to get any real strenth through that gear. Notice the turbo box has a different diff set up than normal, but the main gears are still weak as. get an lsd diff and straight cut third gears and she should (hopfully) treat u as well as u treat her. Maybee time to upgrade man.

08-07-2005, 12:24 AM	#39
wiredone AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Car: Evo 8 Posts: 301	ezin: at nearly $1000 a gear for billet for our box and nearly $2K for a strong billet LSD its not worth doing unless you do everything... what if i pay all that money: $800 for standard box $900 for 3rd gear in billet $300 for rebuild and new bearings and after all that something else lets go and spreads nice little shards of metal into our expensive goodies.... the diff is weak too and so are the synchros (i have killed boxes in different ways) Took an Evo 8 for a drive today... maybe time to move on... __________________ SP2NV 03 Black Sp20 Turbo _____________________________________ To boost or not to boost - http://www.trafficmesh.com

08-07-2005, 09:19 AM	#40
ROB-80E Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: SE QLD, Australia Car: Turbo BG Astina Posts: 792 View Photos By: ROB-80E	Just for interest sake....There is a compny in NZ making a straight cut 3rd syncromesh gear pair that's a direct bolt in for our boxes for around the $650NZD mark. Can find out more info for those interested...I'll be getting one next year some time. __________________ BG Astina + GTR conversion + Microtech ECU + FMIC + 3" pipes and Exhaust x 21psi boost = 12.168 to the power of 326whp

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