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Old 11-03-2005, 12:05 PM   #41
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Certainly not much excess lead, fitted in well looks quite neat.

Although back centre lead plug is different, instead of coming striaght up (stock) it comes up and off at an angle. not a big prob but needs some carefull arranging so it doesn't rest oin anything that gets to hot.

No troubles since install (plugs at the same time),
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Old 16-03-2005, 10:35 AM   #42
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Red face angled leads...

juzd my 2c worth ...
my '92 V6 626 hatch. has all six leads angled @90degrees!
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Old 01-04-2005, 12:01 PM   #43
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[QUOTE=boostedbatman]Taking out a 1.8 and putting in a 2.5 is just asking for trouble 4-->6 cyl how fat can one mans wallet be The swap is only plausable for those with the KF to go to the KL.

Sorry if this question sounds stupid, but why is the swap only plausable for those with the KF to go to the KL and not the 1.8L 4Cyl to the KL? What needs to be taken into account?

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Old 01-04-2005, 12:29 PM   #44
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To put the V6 (either KF or KL) in place of the 1.8L 4Cyl you need engine, ECU, wiring, transmission, radiator, brake booster, engine mounts, exhaust, maybe modified drive shafts and other little bits 'n' pieces.
To swap the KF 2.0 litre V6 with the KL 2.5 litre V6 all you need is the engine.
It's not that it isn't possable but too expensive. It would be cheaper if you had a 1.8 to trade to a V6 then do the swap.

Oh yeah,
You'd also need to change the front springs and tacho, the list just goes on and on
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Old 01-04-2005, 03:09 PM   #45
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To swap the KF 2.0 litre V6 with the KL 2.5 litre V6 all you need is the engine.
Any a some sort of intake modification I am lead to believe.


Where any of the KL, KF or K8 engines ever super or turbo charged by mazda?

If so where and in what,
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Old 01-04-2005, 03:29 PM   #46
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Only the KJ? 2.3 litre miller cycle form the Eunos 800M as far as I know.

When putting the KL in place of the KF you use the inlet manifold, AFM and distributor from the KF. That way you can use the KF ecu and you can close the hood.
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Old 01-04-2005, 04:17 PM   #47
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Close the hood n' all hey,


What does th KF ECU do the KL power out put?

Cause surely it thinks it is controlling a 2.0l engine
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Old 01-04-2005, 04:45 PM   #48
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The KL ECU would need to be wired into the car while the KF is already there. The timing should be almost identical but with more air through the AFM the ECU will add more fuel to compensate when the O2 sensor cuts in the ECU will maintain the air/fuel ratio.
I know someone who did this to a Eunos 30X. K8 out KL in. Instant 60-70% power increase without any visual difference
I've only just thought about the crank angle sensor and harmonic balancer. The KF front housing may need to be swaped or the KL unit modified. They are probably identical but it would be the ideal time to investigate making the sensor somewhat adjustable.
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Old 02-04-2005, 11:21 AM   #49
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To put the V6 (either KF or KL) in place of the 1.8L 4Cyl you need engine, ECU, wiring, transmission, radiator, brake booster, engine mounts, exhaust, maybe modified drive shafts and other little bits 'n' pieces.
To swap the KF 2.0 litre V6 with the KL 2.5 litre V6 all you need is the engine.
It's not that it isn't possable but too expensive. It would be cheaper if you had a 1.8 to trade to a V6 then do the swap.

Oh yeah,
You'd also need to change the front springs and tacho, the list just goes on and on
I've found a good 2.0Lt V6 @ $11500 175000Km Manual (non mods) and I recon I might be able to get between $9000 - $10000 (guess) for my 1.8L 4Cyl considering the extra bits and pieces that are non standard on the car + I would have to spend extra money on replacing the non standard items into the V6.
However do you recon it's worth trading up to a V6 to do the KL-DE or KL-ZE modification? Also keeping in mind the V6 version had other creature comforts the 4Cyl lacked. Or do you think it's better to just pick another engine like a bpt etc?
Essentially I was aiming for around 150Kw good torque and was hoping to increase to 200Kw with a bolt on turbo etc to a decent engine when I get more money, hence have a good engine to start with then do the mods etc?

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Old 03-04-2005, 04:58 AM   #50
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Its a big decision to sell the 1.8 for the 2.0 v6 with the intention to boost.When looking towards a turbo or the like in the future the BPT is the simpler and cheaper way to go (you will need a front cut). The BPT already comes with the internals and compression suited to Forced Induction whilst the KF/L will need some attention to the choice of pistons/ rods/ ECU possibly Gearbox (if you have the F series). The big pain with internals is the lack of aftermarket support in Australia and you will find yourself shopping overseas with the rest of us. You can run some "mild" boost with the KF/KL-DE/03 but I for one am not a fan of boosting ANY engine without taking all the precautions necessary to ensure a long and happy life for you and your motor.
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Old 03-04-2005, 10:47 AM   #51
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Its a big decision to sell the 1.8 for the 2.0 v6 with the intention to boost.When looking towards a turbo or the like in the future the BPT is the simpler and cheaper way to go (you will need a front cut). .
Sure the BPT is the simpler and cheaper way to go but realistically is the performance form a standard BPT front cut conversion that significant? correct me if I'm wrong but the conversions I read about only achieve around 110-120kw or so, not sure about torque figuers. This is ABOUT 7sec mark for a 0-100Km/hr or a 15sec for the 1/4mile not exactly exciting. I'm not trying to argue just trying to decide and justify and ultimately seeing if my expectations would be meet.

Just curious does anyone know what the figuers for a 0-100km/hr and 1/4mile times for a 323 BA11F1 Astina hatch with a KL-ZE conversion would be?
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Old 03-04-2005, 11:07 AM   #52
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I think Rupewrecht has 147kW/500Nm (147whp) and can put down a 14.3 1/4. You'd need to ask him what he's down to get those figures over the stock GTX. But there is a heep of guys down south with the BPT conversion in their cars running some decent figures, decent enough to tear shreads off their F series gearboxes too...
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Old 03-04-2005, 11:22 AM   #53
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But there is a heep of guys down south with the BPT conversion in their cars running some decent figures, decent enough to tear shreads off their F series gearboxes too...
Thanks Chicaboo, you wouldn't know who some of these guys down south are by any chance, just need to do more research.
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Old 03-04-2005, 11:57 AM   #54
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Mr MX-6 Dropped a KL-ZE in a KC Laser,

He was doing something like 14.7

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Old 03-04-2005, 12:10 PM   #55
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Been thinking what would the big difference betwen a KF stroked to 2.5 and a KL?
You would of course have the absoulute mongrel of an engine.



Also isn't the KF compression ratio only around 8.5 or something?
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Astina GianT,

I think you have BigMal, Jynx, Sik Astina, Rupewrecht and maybe even Lazer The Amazer (due to his Lynx)?

You'll find previous posts in the forced induction area where there would be a number of posts by all of them regarding the BPT conversion, then you can send them a PM.
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He has also put an Austrailian spec KL into his BA
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Old 03-04-2005, 03:16 PM   #58
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I think Rupewrecht has 147kW/500Nm (147whp) and can put down a 14.3 1/4. You'd need to ask him what he's down to get those figures over the stock GTX. But there is a heep of guys down south with the BPT conversion in their cars running some decent figures, decent enough to tear shreads off their F series gearboxes too...
really, the only difference of my engine VS a standard GTX engine is that it generates a hell of a lot more torque.

currently 137kw atw at the moment, and a 14.3 1/4 mile (as daily driven)

but thats the same as what you could get out of a stock GTX engine really - i'm limited by the stock turbo at the moment (as compared with my old turbo)
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Old 05-04-2005, 07:11 AM   #59
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Rupewrecht, why did you decide to change your original setup where you had a T03/T04 hybrid highflowed ball bearing Garrett turbocharger - Custom manifold (HPC Coated) 194KW to what it is now @ 137Kw? And what is the handling of the car like then compared to know?
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I've seen the dyno graphs and the gearbox internals and the police car that defected the old setup
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