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15-01-2009, 09:02 AM | #1 |
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Windows 7 beta
so whos usingthis ??? im in the process of cleaning up a hard drive to use it...i know chicaboo has got it downloaded as well...
what are your thoughts??? any issues so far??? and do you play games on it, if so does the game feel like its not lagging as much??? (heard theres no real noticable difference) what were you using? (windows 3.0, xp, vista etc.) is the best one out so far???
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15-01-2009, 09:08 AM | #2 |
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I prolly won't get this installed til Sunday. It's not going into a very grunty machine (unless I swap a video card...), so I may not be able to compare games performance or compatibility.
After reading some forums, I've decided to install the 64bit platform (I downloaded both 32 & 64bit). I had always told myself I would go to 64bit on the next OS release (mostly in part from regreting not doing so with Vista...). I won't be able to exploit the 64bit enhancements given the specs of the spare PC: Intel 2.2C2D CPU 1GB DDR2 RAM 80GB HDD ATi X1600 video card? For testing purposes I can pop in an ATi HD4850 and see how it goes, but the limited RAM will cripple performance I expect. Fortunately they reckon 7 is less resource intensive than XP! Gotta wonder why it has higher specification requirements though...? Gav. |
15-01-2009, 09:56 AM | #3 |
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have run it in a virtual PC session under XP, looks pretty and its a bit easier to use. but i still couldn't be bothered. XP was perfectly fine for 99% of jobs and still is. plus win7 is really Vista minus some bugs.
businesses will still resist because XP is doing everything for them and upgrading means downtime or overpaid IT guys 'like me' to do afterhours rollouts. and in this current economic climate what business is going to want to lash out on their computers? i've been in corporate IT for close to 5 years and i've learned 1 basic principle. IT does not make a company money, it costs money. and companies will NEVER spend money unless they absolutely have to. we still run windows 2000 servers here because we don't NEED to upgrade to 2003 or 2008 or whatever MS brings out every 3 years. as much as MS wants home users on the Win7 bandwagon, it makes its most profit from businesses buying hundreds/thousands of licenses. often without individual media/boxes. so they are being paid cash for something intangible, how good is that! so yeh Vista was a fail with like 5% business uptake and every IT pro lining up to crap on it. they think they can just pull Vista version 2 and think it will work this time. hell our workplace is currently moving to a platform where we host everything on terminal servers and the end users will be given eeePCs or eeeBOXs. we could run our end users on a linux platform to be honest and only need MS in the back end. for general home users, operating system upgrades are BS. |
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If you take Vista and Server out of the equation for a moment (your points being quite valid), and just look at Windows 7 for the home user, it's a different story. But yes, in our company making the change would have meant replacing the licences for our CAD software, which was incompatible with Vista/server. I shudder to think what it would have been like in companies that have custom software with with poorly written executeables, etc...
Already in Windows 7 beta we can see the benefits of WARP10 over DX10.1 (look it up), and the official beta release already matches/betters Vista SP1 for 3dmark, winstone, and other benchmarks. The way it uses memory is heaps better too. But this is all academic until I have my hands on it with it running video drivers made for this platform... Gav. |
15-01-2009, 10:41 AM | #5 |
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im on windows 7 now...and it seems quiet quick...alot quicker than vista home basic...and **** loads faster than XP
i like it
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15-01-2009, 10:53 AM | #6 |
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Do you know anything about how compatible it is with games? That was basically why I never went to Vista (aside from all the crap that runs in the background, annoying security, etc).
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15-01-2009, 10:55 AM | #7 |
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what games ya play?
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15-01-2009, 11:05 AM | #8 |
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At the moment the major steam games, ie: Counter-Strike Source, Day of Defeat Source, Team Fortress 2, Left 4 Dead; first or third person shooters like Far Cry, Max Payne 1 and 2, FEAR, the various Unreal Tournaments etc, and I'll get Bioshock at some point; RPGs like Oblivion, Neverwinter Nights 1 and 2, Baldur's Gate 2 + Throne of Baal, Jade Empire, and I plan on getting Planescape Torment at some point; racers like NSF: Underground; occasionally strategy games like Dawn of War, starcraft, etc.
I'm probably more concerned about newer games, like Fallout 3, Crysis, Call of Duty 4 and the like. The advantage of XP is that all the bugs have already been patched, whereas with a newer version they'll only just be starting to be found. But I might put Windows 7 on a spare machine out of curiosity... |
15-01-2009, 11:07 AM | #9 |
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you do know you can dual boot i am so if worst comes to worst you can always swap back to older operating system
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15-01-2009, 11:08 AM | #10 |
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holy ****. nice game collection mate
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on wikipedia it says that windows 7 was built as a successor on XP, but due to something (i didnt read that far in lol) vista (which is the basic version of 7) was released 1st, and new 7 which was leaked on 27th dec is released as a incrimental upgrade to vista, meaning all of drivers, hardware and software will work on it that worked on vista.. so you should b fine there. games usually arnt a problem anyway cus directx is backwards compatible anyway
but i was looking at the screenshots of it and it looks like vista so what is it just fater?? cus im running 4GB of ddr2 ram and vista is fine for me, but if i can get it faster performance from 7 i might go for it ay DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW LONG WILL 7 BE A BETA BEFORE WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT??? |
15-01-2009, 04:56 PM | #12 |
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Could take any amount of time for a release date, they don't plan to release Office 14 till 2010. I hope they arnt in a hurry, cos when they are they just **** everything up. Example: xbox360, i have the black elite and it rocks, they finally got it right by four generation, but that's how they roll, and make alot of money
Btw: i have "obtained" it but haven't got around to dual booting it, might get into it tonite.
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Games don't stop working across different Operating Systems because of DirectX.
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15-01-2009, 05:45 PM | #14 |
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ummm windows 7 is due for release about december or jan but some reports mid next year...
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Since they have just released an official working beta to the public with a 6 month trial licence, I wouldn't be surprised if they aim to release it for the end of this year so they can fill ppl's Christmas stockings with a big kick in initial sales. It might all depend on how the GFC* goes though... All reports state that this beta is better (ie: more stable) and faster than Vista pre SP1 (and XP!).
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also vista drivers on 7 so it should be an easy port if you're already on vista. sadly MS aren't going to release anything to help you upgrade from XP which may kill a little bit of enthusiasm on some parts. i think it'll get quite good uptake by home users honestly. i'm just kind of chuffed that MS actually listened. they spent years developing Vista, release it to poor reviews, incapable machines and and low uptake and DON'T just say 'deal with it, here's some patches' and start working on the next release for release in 5 years time. |
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I ran XP for years, and also put up with BSODs for that whole time! So the XP fanbois that have never made the jump to Vista, can't quite grasp how good and stable an OS, SP1 is. The guys that argue about game performance might have a point, but it's not a huge difference. The only regular problem I have had with Vista over the last year is IE7 crashes... ATi CrossfireX owner's will know another problem that ATi have buried themselves with since Catalyst 8.10hotfix/8.11 was introduced. I can't wait to try out Windows 7 on my spare PC. And if it's good enough, I will put a 2nd HDD in my main PC and launch it off the bios HDD boot option. Gav. |
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this was just written up today on my gaming forums...good read...
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whats wrong with xfire setups? i run 2 4850s. i reckon xp is stable, i overclock and rarely have trouble. i've got more trouble with ****ty onboard RAID arrays degrading than with BSODs.
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Bourbon: Those are impressive gains for W7 on Crysis. But when you consider that the driver's are not optimised for W7, you can then appreciate the results!
Derb: HD4850CFX has had issues with initialising in Vista 32/64bit since the introduction of the Catalyst 8.10hotfix and 8.11 drivers. It has to do with the ATi External Event setting in boot.ini, and this needs to be manually disabled after installing the drivers before Vista will boot without a BSOD. One can then enable Crossfire and then reboot and set the ATi External Event back on. Cheers, Gav. |
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