What to do with a stuffed FP-DE.

[TheMAN]

I was just looking at my MSF shop manual... the compression test spec for the special MSF engine is 1667.1kPa (1098.3kPa minimum)... just wanted to let you know if you didn't have that info

the regular FS-ZE spec is 1569.1kPa (1098.3kPa minimum)

[phildough]

Any chance of getting a copy of your MSF shop manual???
It would come in very handy for me.

[phildough]

Here is a pic of my latest Dyno run.
Its getting better every time I run it!

[TheMAN]

not bad... what did you do differently this time?

[phildough]

Cleaned the air filter, new plugs and some octane boost which as seen here does nothing.
It may improve mid range response and low end torque but I don't know for sure.
All I know is thats its a fun little toy to drive ATM
Other than that nothing else has changed since last time it was run

[TheMAN]

500ml of octane boost won't do a damned thing to raise octane points significantly
like I told you already, you need to mix yourself some home made octane booster brew.... go get some toluene and dump 4-8 litres in... that will make a difference then!

[phildough]

All I know is that with the current tank of gas with the octane boost in it runs a lot smoother and has more torque at low revs.
If I was going to put toluene in anything it would be my scooter and that is not going to happen.

[project.r.racing]

got a dyno sheet with rpm instead of kph on it? otherwise it means nothing.

[phildough]

Cutout is 7000 RPM so work backwards from there.
The flat spot is from 5000-5500.

[TheMAN]

Originally Posted by phildough

All I know is that with the current tank of gas with the octane boost in it runs a lot smoother and has more torque at low revs.
If I was going to put toluene in anything it would be my scooter and that is not going to happen.

so then you might as well stop putting petrol and the octane booster bottle into your tank because that's what they contain... in varying amounts

you know, you wouldn't be saying something that foolish if you did some reading like I suggested you to do
http://www.elektro.com/~audi/audi/toluene.html

[Ice88]

You could prolly work back from it if you had too. Given that engine speed is basically gear ratio * rpm.

[Clean_Cookie]

interesting reading. Ill email my uncle, who works at BP and see if he can get me some of this Toulene stuff. may as well see what happens in my car at increasing ratios. numerous skylines in QLD are running random mixes of 112 racing fuel (like 50%) + 20% BP ULTIMATE + 30% of this adative + ATF fluid) instead of E85. (On 500kw+ cars)

[phildough]

Originally Posted by TheMAN

so then you might as well stop putting petrol and the octane booster bottle into your tank because that's what they contain... in varying amounts

you know, you wouldn't be saying something that foolish if you did some reading like I suggested you to do
http://www.elektro.com/~audi/audi/toluene.html

Were did I say anything foolish??
I commented that my car runs better with additive in it even if the dyno only showed 2kw more.
I did notice my car felt rather bland driving to the dyno, it seems to change a lot according to the weather.
Some days its noticeably faster, which makes me think do our cars have a barometric sensor and where is it?
I thought I saw something in the wiring diagrams when I was translating the ZE diagrams.

The reason I said I wont put toulene in my scooter is because its 2 stroke and im not sure if its ok, but it could use every extra watt of power.
It would probably fly but its a bitch to get spare parts for it if I stuff it.

[Clean_Cookie]

Jared will try it before he adds nos Haha

[maztech]

Nah straight to a zex kit , hmmmm what the fine for using nitrous on the street in qld.

[TheMAN]

Originally Posted by phildough

Were did I say anything foolish??
I commented that my car runs better with additive in it even if the dyno only showed 2kw more.
I did notice my car felt rather bland driving to the dyno, it seems to change a lot according to the weather.
Some days its noticeably faster, which makes me think do our cars have a barometric sensor and where is it?
I thought I saw something in the wiring diagrams when I was translating the ZE diagrams.

The reason I said I wont put toulene in my scooter is because its 2 stroke and im not sure if its ok, but it could use every extra watt of power.
It would probably fly but its a bitch to get spare parts for it if I stuff it.

like all things, it's ok when used in moderation
your car felt smoother with the octane booster because your ECU wasn't pulling back timing as much... but the octane hasn't risen enough to actually allow the ECU to aggressively advance timing so that you could make power

toluene is the cheap solution to let you do that

and yes, the sp20/sport20 does have a baro sensor

[marcs_sp20]

Ah thats what that is! when using a 3pt struth brace you have to remove it from its original position...

[Clean_Cookie]

Originally Posted by maztech

Nah straight to a zex kit , hmmmm what the fine for using nitrous on the street in qld.

1000 bucks per cyclinder, plus 1000 for unapproved mounting, 1000 ontop of that for unsafe storage of compressed gas and car impound fee... Aparently. Looked it up this arvo.


To make it more stupid, no part of the system can be fitted at any time while on the street, its not good enough to have everything but the bottle in qld. Go figure!

[maztech]

Wow ouch They certainly are the fun patrol. Oh well just have to make up stuff to hide it really well.

[rodhog]

Originally Posted by tc3_racer_001

1000 bucks per cyclinder, plus 1000 for unapproved mounting, 1000 ontop of that for unsafe storage of compressed gas and car impound fee... Aparently. Looked it up this arvo.


To make it more stupid, no part of the system can be fitted at any time while on the street, its not good enough to have everything but the bottle in qld. Go figure!

Similar in NSW.
but I think it starts at $10,000 plus per cylinder.

but you just can't have a bottle Connected.

because when we got to the WSID. on a OLD XW -GS we have to carry full bottle up but we carry it in the back seaton the floor. We have been pulled and because my mate don't care he leaves the no's and the NO2 writting and his NO2 sticker on. they look into the boot see it's missing from the holder or if it's disconnected. They don't let you get out - just open the boot. 90% of the cop HP are good. Others will double check you don't have any other hidden bottles. - One even asked us to turn on thw system and hit Purge. After that he was top bloke. Even asked us to start it - what cam etc.

It was bigger problem in the 90's. I know two people who lost licence for 5-1 years over running NOS on street. It always goes to court. And last offence I heard of 200SX owner and a HONDA Crx owner (apparenlty a famous show car don't know for sure) was like light slaps.

IMO on the street in stock anything below 1.8L it's worth it. - think about 3 cylinder charade and 35HP shots at the lights. It will keep up with a Falcodore.


Back on topic.

disregarding the fuel issue or thought. (do you really want to always add additive) Any playing with the base timing if it's at all possible.