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Old 22-05-2010, 10:32 AM   #1
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custom engine builds and ecus

Hey all,

In the near future I am hoping to start the process of acquiring a custom-built high performance engine (4-cylinder) for my astina. Now I know they would cost roughly 5g, however I will also need to get a new ecu.

How much would it cost for a new ecu? I've tried looking online for ecu manufacturers but can't find any in qld or nsw.

Alternatively, can anybody recommend any 4-cylinder fwd high perfomance engines which would slot into the engine bay of my 97 astina with minimal fuss?

Cheers, all
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Old 22-05-2010, 11:05 AM   #2
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about $1500 for a ecu supplied and installed...

gun performance on the north side are great they did my engine rebuild and performance modifications did great work engine hit torque at a nice time and engine could rev out to 10,000rpm with out a problem apart from the gearbox...
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Old 22-05-2010, 11:08 AM   #3
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Haltech, Microtech both have standalones for about 1.1-1.2k not sure how much a tune would cost, depends on whether it was a dyno tune or street tune I guess.

F3 would slot in but, 1997 would make it a BA i think in which case there's plenty of aftermarket parts for that engine(BP)

I dont really know that much about the BPs best off talking to someone whos owned/modified one
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Old 22-05-2010, 11:09 AM   #4
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the stock engine that is in there can be worked on extensively to around 200wkw+ as its the same basic engine as the familia gtx/gtr bigger pistons, stronger rods (forged crank is stock) and a nice turbo will set u back around that much. Nothing else will fit with minimal fuss cus of the gb and drive shafts. As for ecu, any one will work. Haltech, microtech, wolf, megasquirt, but if u wanna burn some moneh motec is pretty damn good. If u were thinking something along the honda range, this isnt a place to ask
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Old 22-05-2010, 12:57 PM   #5
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If u were thinking something along the honda range, this isnt a place to ask
I definitely wouldn't wanna think that crazy anyway.
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Old 22-05-2010, 02:13 PM   #6
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why not just a bpt rebuild? surely easier due to having a car which is drivable while putting it together?
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Old 22-05-2010, 03:43 PM   #7
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I definitely wouldn't wanna think that crazy anyway.
no i meant go c a doctor or something cus the B16/18 point the other way haha
seriusly man as it was mentioned, easiest thing is to do a bp turbo (assuming u cant get a bpt) if i keep the car at the EOY i will be geting a BP from wreckers and stripping it and rebuilding it ground up something for either 8:1 or 9:1 or-so comp with 10/20 psi
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Old 22-05-2010, 03:50 PM   #8
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Sif turbo everyone turbos NA ftw!
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Old 22-05-2010, 06:25 PM   #9
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Sif turbo everyone turbos NA ftw!
& w-h-y do they turbo?

edit: I do however like the FE3
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Old 22-05-2010, 07:28 PM   #10
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& w-h-y do they turbo?

edit: I do however like the FE3
They turbo because it is the quickest, cheapest way to get power

I agree with Ice88, NA powaaahh!

And yes, the FE3 is an excellent base to make power, NA or turbo
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Old 22-05-2010, 07:39 PM   #11
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I want a FE Dohc (AKA FE3)
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Old 23-05-2010, 04:32 AM   #12
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Haltech or Wolf... Both ignition+fuel versions are around $1500. Fitting will be $200ish and tune will be $500ish.

For a BA, using a WOLF plug-n-play adapted from a NA8 MX5 would probably save some wire cutting. But a few things are still different. And series 3 cars will not benefit from this do to altered ecu pin out arrangements.

If you are prepared to drive to the Sunny Coast, I can recommend a someone that can build the engine, install the ecu and get tune done, all in one place.
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They turbo because it is the quickest, cheapest way to get power
True. However I was referring moreso to utilising the strength of internals of stock turbo engines (B6T/BPTGTR) as opposed to stock NA engines. No comparison. FE3 is an exception & yummy
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i would like a FE3 as well
turbo is the only way to scavange some of over 30% of power that every car looses in the exhaust
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Old 23-05-2010, 11:34 AM   #15
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Hey all,

In the near future I am hoping to start the process of acquiring a custom-built high performance engine (4-cylinder) for my astina. Now I know they would cost roughly 5g, however I will also need to get a new ecu.

How much would it cost for a new ecu? I've tried looking online for ecu manufacturers but can't find any in qld or nsw.

Alternatively, can anybody recommend any 4-cylinder fwd high perfomance engines which would slot into the engine bay of my 97 astina with minimal fuss?

Cheers, all
- Mick
Having a cutom-built performance engine would already be costing you $5000 in parts and not counting labour. If your doing it yourself you will still need all machinery etc. Not saying not to do it, if you love your NA beasts then go ahead. I'm nearly reaching the end of rebuilding my motor so you might find some useful info in my worklog on AGT.
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Old 23-05-2010, 03:25 PM   #16
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i would like a FE3 as well
turbo is the only way to scavange some of over 30% of power that every car looses in the exhaust
30%? That's sure conservative. Why do you think they are still very much in use with performance manufacturers. Intelligent HP F-T-W
Btw. As some have stated, you can't go wrong with stand alones. Brilliant if you're wanting efficiency once you go over the engines threshhold (sorting AFM)
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Old 23-05-2010, 03:42 PM   #17
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southside dyno pacific hwy springwood/slacks creek..is a 'link' engine mangment dealer and tuner,also good a place to go if you want engine builds done right.31331727
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30%? That's sure conservative. Why do you think they are still very much in use with performance manufacturers. Intelligent HP F-T-W
Btw. As some have stated, you can't go wrong with stand alones. Brilliant if you're wanting efficiency once you go over the engines threshhold (sorting AFM)
petrol engines are 30% efficent at best of times. 30% of energy goes out the exhaust and another 30% goes throguht the radiator, the rest is radiated and conveyed to the rest of the engine bay throguh convection thats what i meant
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petrol engines are 30% efficent at best of times. 30% of energy goes out the exhaust and another 30% goes throguht the radiator, the rest is radiated and conveyed to the rest of the engine bay throguh convection thats what i meant
something to consider that's for sure. Not to mention the fuel poorly burnt that gets dealt with by cat! Reminds me of the old carby days. Bad days indeed! Thank for the MPI ey?
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