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22-05-2010, 10:32 AM | #1 |
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custom engine builds and ecus
Hey all,
In the near future I am hoping to start the process of acquiring a custom-built high performance engine (4-cylinder) for my astina. Now I know they would cost roughly 5g, however I will also need to get a new ecu. How much would it cost for a new ecu? I've tried looking online for ecu manufacturers but can't find any in qld or nsw. Alternatively, can anybody recommend any 4-cylinder fwd high perfomance engines which would slot into the engine bay of my 97 astina with minimal fuss? Cheers, all - Mick |
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22-05-2010, 11:05 AM | #2 |
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about $1500 for a ecu supplied and installed...
gun performance on the north side are great they did my engine rebuild and performance modifications did great work engine hit torque at a nice time and engine could rev out to 10,000rpm with out a problem apart from the gearbox...
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22-05-2010, 11:08 AM | #3 |
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Haltech, Microtech both have standalones for about 1.1-1.2k not sure how much a tune would cost, depends on whether it was a dyno tune or street tune I guess.
F3 would slot in but, 1997 would make it a BA i think in which case there's plenty of aftermarket parts for that engine(BP) I dont really know that much about the BPs best off talking to someone whos owned/modified one
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22-05-2010, 11:09 AM | #4 |
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the stock engine that is in there can be worked on extensively to around 200wkw+ as its the same basic engine as the familia gtx/gtr bigger pistons, stronger rods (forged crank is stock) and a nice turbo will set u back around that much. Nothing else will fit with minimal fuss cus of the gb and drive shafts. As for ecu, any one will work. Haltech, microtech, wolf, megasquirt, but if u wanna burn some moneh motec is pretty damn good. If u were thinking something along the honda range, this isnt a place to ask
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22-05-2010, 12:57 PM | #5 |
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22-05-2010, 03:43 PM | #7 |
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no i meant go c a doctor or something cus the B16/18 point the other way haha
seriusly man as it was mentioned, easiest thing is to do a bp turbo (assuming u cant get a bpt) if i keep the car at the EOY i will be geting a BP from wreckers and stripping it and rebuilding it ground up something for either 8:1 or 9:1 or-so comp with 10/20 psi |
22-05-2010, 03:50 PM | #8 |
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Sif turbo everyone turbos NA ftw!
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22-05-2010, 06:25 PM | #9 |
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& w-h-y do they turbo?
edit: I do however like the FE3
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22-05-2010, 07:28 PM | #10 |
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They turbo because it is the quickest, cheapest way to get power
I agree with Ice88, NA powaaahh! And yes, the FE3 is an excellent base to make power, NA or turbo
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22-05-2010, 07:39 PM | #11 |
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I want a FE Dohc (AKA FE3)
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23-05-2010, 04:32 AM | #12 |
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Haltech or Wolf... Both ignition+fuel versions are around $1500. Fitting will be $200ish and tune will be $500ish.
For a BA, using a WOLF plug-n-play adapted from a NA8 MX5 would probably save some wire cutting. But a few things are still different. And series 3 cars will not benefit from this do to altered ecu pin out arrangements. If you are prepared to drive to the Sunny Coast, I can recommend a someone that can build the engine, install the ecu and get tune done, all in one place. |
23-05-2010, 05:08 AM | #13 |
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True. However I was referring moreso to utilising the strength of internals of stock turbo engines (B6T/BPTGTR) as opposed to stock NA engines. No comparison. FE3 is an exception & yummy
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23-05-2010, 09:12 AM | #14 |
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i would like a FE3 as well
turbo is the only way to scavange some of over 30% of power that every car looses in the exhaust |
23-05-2010, 11:34 AM | #15 | |
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23-05-2010, 03:25 PM | #16 | |
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Btw. As some have stated, you can't go wrong with stand alones. Brilliant if you're wanting efficiency once you go over the engines threshhold (sorting AFM)
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23-05-2010, 03:42 PM | #17 |
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southside dyno pacific hwy springwood/slacks creek..is a 'link' engine mangment dealer and tuner,also good a place to go if you want engine builds done right.31331727
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23-05-2010, 04:07 PM | #18 | |
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23-05-2010, 04:16 PM | #19 |
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something to consider that's for sure. Not to mention the fuel poorly burnt that gets dealt with by cat! Reminds me of the old carby days. Bad days indeed! Thank for the MPI ey?
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