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Old 20-04-2004, 10:09 PM   #1
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What motor to get

I was thinking of getting a Mazda FE3 2l 4cyl 16v motor to put into a Astina(Then turbo it later,its apparently very good.I know a guy who has the motor and the only modification done to it is a compresion ratio of 7.5:1 and he runs a turbo on 1bar,no problems. He has since changed the head to get solid lifters cause he couldnt get past 250kw with the standard head.) but iv'e loked at JynX's thread about his turbo conversion and i was just wondering what should i get. I might beable to get a GTX motor here in SA,im not sure. So just give me your thoughts. Especially Jynx. What will it take to get that motor in and running. and then to get about 160-180kw atw. Im hoping for that at first.

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Old 21-04-2004, 02:40 PM   #2
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Have a look at Solomiata.com the guy on there was turboing a FE3 motor. The other place was
autospeed.com there was an article about a 323 Truck running a FE 2 or 3 making 300kw and running a 6spd FWD gearbox (I love that article....dreams of a 6sp)

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Old 21-04-2004, 04:06 PM   #3
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yeh a FE3 powered astina would be interesting. they fit in the MX5 we know that. however not sure about the ECU problem. the stock FE3/astina ones may not intertwine meaning a whole new EMS may be required

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Old 21-04-2004, 06:15 PM   #4
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EMS? i must say i have no idea wot u on about there mate(oz talk,ha ha). there was a list of this stuff here somewhere so ill look. but i can get an aftermarket system, im planning to anyway 'cause i was told the fuelling on a pre '98 model(our BA astina goes to '99) wasnt too great and the '98+ models had that sorted so i was going to get a good fuel system, SA made(domingoes, or Mr Turbo) we get Haltek and wolf 3d and stuff but thats a bit much. anyways will that sort it.
So far im getting the feeling i should go for the FE3. it'l cost me R4500 for the motor and R1000 to get it in. Divide by 5 to get OZ$
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Old 21-04-2004, 06:19 PM   #5
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http://www.mrturbo.co.za/

heres the Mr Turbo site, its not as good as the domingoes but i couldnt find there site.
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Old 22-04-2004, 11:18 PM   #6
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c'mon guys i need advice here. I dont want to make any mistakes. i waiting to c if i can even get a bpt engine here. no response from them yet
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Old 23-04-2004, 12:04 PM   #7
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The FE3 thats something that hasn't been done here so you are on your own.
We cant give you a precise answer.
You scare me with your last remark with the urgency. If you are going to do it
right now you are doomed to have problems. By the sounds of it you haven't done
any investigations yourself. Have you looked at how the FE3 engine mounts are.
Have you checked the bolt pattern on the gearbox bellhousing. Have you done
any investigations about the engine management system (EMS).

By the way that 323 Truck I mentioned was from South Africa you may
want to read the article and see if it mentions any people you can speak
to locally.

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Old 23-04-2004, 12:04 PM   #8
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you'll need to find out if:

your standard gearbox will match up?
if you use the FE gearbox, will it align with your CV joints?
will the engine mounts of the FE3 line up?

they're a good engine from what i've heard, but a BPT would be an easier bolt-in proposition i'd imagine - mostly because it's the same basic engine wheras there's all the variables listed with the FE3 - and probably a heap more!
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Old 23-04-2004, 02:27 PM   #9
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Hey Sorry guys, Thanx for the response and all, Im just trying to find out if it will work, i I leave things for too long they get 4gotton about. I just want to have everything right for my conversion. Ill need to get the EMS along with the motor. I've spoken to a few Mechanics and they all seem confident i should easily fit it into an Astina without the need to change the gearbox. But its difficult, its not as if i found anybody who's done it yet. (well the guy i know with the FE3 engine stuck it in a VW golf mk1, and it wasnt easy).

Hey Mal, i cant seem to find that article about the truck. do you think you couyld help me out abit there 2. There is a guy i know with a mazda 2l engine in his truck but im not sure that its a FE3, he's also got a 6spd box but he pushes out 850kw atw and runs 8.6 1/4 mile. And if u look at the altitude we race at (+-2000m abouve sea level) its not too bad.

Again, teribly sorry. I am trying to find out as much as possible as this is something i want to have done, I guess its just the exitement of me killing vtec's thats fueling my desire.

Thankyou very much for all your help.

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Old 23-04-2004, 02:42 PM   #10
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Dont worry i found it, Yeah this is Logan Naiker's bakkie.really great thing too, everybody with that shape bakie dreams of beating him. its really good. I still remember watching as he took his bakkie to 308.5km/h over a 1km stretch. Ja and he's got a Opel TS 6-speed box.(not a bad idea actually, wonder how easy that is to do).

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Old 23-04-2004, 03:09 PM   #11
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i have a vague recollection that the gearbox bellhousings are different, but i spose you could get an adapter made.

i'd sell pr1mos soul for one of those 6 speeders i'd - and yes i'm completely serious! if you could source one for me, that'd be ace! hehe
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Old 23-04-2004, 03:38 PM   #12
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Is this you friend

http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_0844/article.html

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Old 23-04-2004, 05:27 PM   #13
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Shot. Ill have a look around for a 6spd box. Dont have a clue what they cost tho. I guess about R6000 (oz$1200). thats less than that vielside spoiler i want from carmate(oz$1500) and they still want $1000 to send it to South Africa.
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Old 23-04-2004, 05:42 PM   #14
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What engine do you have, gotta have a starting point.
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Old 23-04-2004, 05:53 PM   #15
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HOLY COW!!! :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

I severly underestimated the cost of a TS 6spd box. So far i cant find a place that has a new 1 but i did find out it will cost R10500 (OZ$2100) to recondition it. Oh well well c

Here we only get 1 type of astina 180se (disks all round,mags,leather,c/l,abs,e/w) whateva u can think of. I dunno tho i see your specs of the 1.8 as having 92kw. well here at this high altitude a guy ran his STOCK astina(on 93ron) and got 92kw atw. Then he had it chipped and got 96 atw. so i dont know what the engine diffrence is
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Sounds like you've got the 1840cc BP twin-cam 4 cylinder. That's a fantastic engine and one that Mazda has used with awesome success in many of its vehicles.

A thicker head gasket and turbo kit would be your best bet to start.
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Shot, it could be that. I know its a twincam(dohc, whateva mazda call it) i just assumed they were alll the same
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Old 03-05-2004, 07:24 PM   #18
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if i was in your place i give my best to find a mazda gtr engine it has 210hp.its 1.8 dohc turbo engine and from my opinion is the most power that you get.from a standard type engine with no mods.2 days now i am running the 1.6 turbo engine from mazda gtx(erlyversion)you can`t imagine how is accelerating!my next plan is to get that engine rolling in my car.(ask the guy with the crx he is still trying to understand what pass him) :wink:
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Old 04-05-2004, 12:16 PM   #19
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Finding a GTR is almost impossible and then you have the whole mileage and
age (It is 10 years old now). Here a GTR motor goes for $4500 when available
and a GTX for $1000. Thats $3500 you could spend on a new turbo, manifold,
forged pistons and rebuild and end up with a reco motor not just a 2nd hand
unknown mileage GTR motor.
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I can get a FE3 motor for $800. It wont cost all that much to put it in. Then it can be turbo'd later, when i get the money. I still might need a EMS but like i said b4 i can get a standalone EMS for $400.
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