2001 626 fs-de V 2002 Ford laser sr2 fs-de - Page 3

Ice88 · 05-12-2013, 06:58 PM

Yeah.

I'm kinda sortta anal about this stuff so prolly not the best person to use as an example for this.

You'd get changed out of 500. Specially if you didn't pay the core surcharge.

danbowe84 · 10-12-2013, 10:34 AM

So heres a what if, say if I don't change crank angle sensor and trigger wheel or cams or sensors or anything, just plug it in and crank it over will it not start or start and timing and everything will be out could it do damage,does the computer have timing maps and everything with no ability to compensate?

TheMAN · 10-12-2013, 10:53 AM

it won't start and even if you did get it to start, it'll run like **** and stall once you try to rev it

the ECU just doesn't know how to deal with the different signalling

danbowe84 · 10-12-2013, 02:43 PM

But if I had an aftermarket ecu that wouldn't be a problem would it

TheMAN · 10-12-2013, 05:01 PM

there would be if nobody knows the signal profile and be able to build a working basemap for you to get the motor running
it will take a lot more time to build one from scratch

rodhog · 11-12-2013, 01:24 AM

It would still idle and sort of run for a bit - depending on how much or how many changes you made.

If you just refreshed the bottom end and decamped the pistons. It should be okay as long as all sensors are connected to run with a turbo unit - but don't hook it up run it N/A to a dyno shop or tuner to installed a ECU etc. Thats been done before it's just a PAIN in the arse we did it at night time. because your max speed is like 50km/h in 4th. depending on your turbo size and stuff. But even so better off trailering it.

If you had base map in a Aftermarket ECU etc if can be enough to run it to a dyno but - depending on how you look at it - Might not be worth the risk.

One thing I do want to point out - You can Piggy back a aftermarket ECU onto a stock ECU to run a turbo engine. The problem is it's more complicated then letting the aftermarket ECU run the whole show. It can be done and sometimes has to be done because of the integration of the ECU into things like HVC.
IN regards to a SR2 - it's not a problem - SP20 or even 626.

Overall. Other then getting a workshop who is accredited and experienced enough to know what they are doing - ones that have turbo'd many N/A cars before and have been around longer then 5 years. Dropping the car off and letting them do the work.

You either do it all your self or will have do a bit of running around towing car here or there or even risking things minor or high risk to get it done. It's just the way it is.

danbowe84 · 12-12-2013, 09:03 AM

What do u mean by hvc? High voltage coil?
And do there will be no problems running the vics manifold(with an aftermarket ecu) or it will still take someone familiar with it to program it to get it to run properly

rodhog · 12-12-2013, 12:44 PM

Heating ventilation control. They call it HAVC now or AHVC.

They were integrated or at least sent signals to the Engine control unit's from Central processors as early as 1983 in some mercs. most by mid 90's were telling the unit when the fan was on A/c and if heater was active. By late 90's the fan won't turn on with heater on until engine is at a set minimal temperature.

SP20 controls will only be telling the factory ECU to idle up the engine when the A/C is on shut off the A/C output to compressor when at Full throttle and idle up and compensate when blower unit is above number 2 setting. It might do a few others but it's not a climate control unit so it's not going to stop it from running when engines cold etc.

danbowe84 · 18-12-2013, 06:26 PM

So the intake cam on a Aussie 626 is a fsd7 like the exhaust on a sp20, has anyone changed a sp20 exhaust to a fsh9?

TheMAN · 18-12-2013, 09:20 PM

HVAC controls are independent of the ECU in the BJ, regardless of auto climate control or not

the only reason to run the stock ECU still is to control the alternator (regulator part of ECU), idle controller, and various other bits... you can change the alternator to a 626 one (if not at least USDM 626) and get rid of the stock ECU completely but having to live with idle controller issues

danbowe84 · 09-01-2014, 07:05 PM

Ok on inspection of cam gears of sp20 motor and 626 motor, they both appear to be identical, same size, all marks in same place, do I need to swap them over?

TheMAN · 09-01-2014, 07:50 PM

the 626 could use either type of cam gear depending on the gearbox type used, so you're best just swapping the cam gears to avoid any guess work and headaches

danbowe84 · 09-01-2014, 10:39 PM

Ok is it silly to assume that there would he differences you can spot with your naked eye?

Ice88 · 14-01-2014, 04:50 PM

One of the cam gears utilises 1 magnet the other uses 3.

05-12-2013, 06:58 PM	#41
Ice88 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Auchenflower, Brisbane Car: Blue SP20 Posts: 2,782	Yeah. I'm kinda sortta anal about this stuff so prolly not the best person to use as an example for this. You'd get changed out of 500. Specially if you didn't pay the core surcharge. __________________

10-12-2013, 10:53 AM	#43
TheMAN Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: USA Car: . Posts: 2,623	it won't start and even if you did get it to start, it'll run like **** and stall once you try to rev it the ECU just doesn't know how to deal with the different signalling __________________ Protege FAQ, the best 323/Protege/Mazda3 resource enjoyed worldwide for 10 years

10-12-2013, 05:01 PM	#45
TheMAN Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: USA Car: . Posts: 2,623	there would be if nobody knows the signal profile and be able to build a working basemap for you to get the motor running it will take a lot more time to build one from scratch __________________ Protege FAQ, the best 323/Protege/Mazda3 resource enjoyed worldwide for 10 years

18-12-2013, 09:20 PM	#50
TheMAN Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: USA Car: . Posts: 2,623	HVAC controls are independent of the ECU in the BJ, regardless of auto climate control or not the only reason to run the stock ECU still is to control the alternator (regulator part of ECU), idle controller, and various other bits... you can change the alternator to a 626 one (if not at least USDM 626) and get rid of the stock ECU completely but having to live with idle controller issues __________________ Protege FAQ, the best 323/Protege/Mazda3 resource enjoyed worldwide for 10 years

09-01-2014, 07:50 PM	#52
TheMAN Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: USA Car: . Posts: 2,623	the 626 could use either type of cam gear depending on the gearbox type used, so you're best just swapping the cam gears to avoid any guess work and headaches __________________ Protege FAQ, the best 323/Protege/Mazda3 resource enjoyed worldwide for 10 years

10-12-2013, 10:34 AM	#42
danbowe84 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Qld Car: Sr2 laser Posts: 70	So heres a what if, say if I don't change crank angle sensor and trigger wheel or cams or sensors or anything, just plug it in and crank it over will it not start or start and timing and everything will be out could it do damage,does the computer have timing maps and everything with no ability to compensate?

10-12-2013, 02:43 PM	#44
danbowe84 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Qld Car: Sr2 laser Posts: 70	But if I had an aftermarket ecu that wouldn't be a problem would it

11-12-2013, 01:24 AM	#46
rodhog Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney Lakemba Car: mx-6 626 Gs300 Maz2 was 95 KF BA-HT Posts: 2,024 View Photos By: rodhog	It would still idle and sort of run for a bit - depending on how much or how many changes you made. If you just refreshed the bottom end and decamped the pistons. It should be okay as long as all sensors are connected to run with a turbo unit - but don't hook it up run it N/A to a dyno shop or tuner to installed a ECU etc. Thats been done before it's just a PAIN in the arse we did it at night time. because your max speed is like 50km/h in 4th. depending on your turbo size and stuff. But even so better off trailering it. If you had base map in a Aftermarket ECU etc if can be enough to run it to a dyno but - depending on how you look at it - Might not be worth the risk. One thing I do want to point out - You can Piggy back a aftermarket ECU onto a stock ECU to run a turbo engine. The problem is it's more complicated then letting the aftermarket ECU run the whole show. It can be done and sometimes has to be done because of the integration of the ECU into things like HVC. IN regards to a SR2 - it's not a problem - SP20 or even 626. Overall. Other then getting a workshop who is accredited and experienced enough to know what they are doing - ones that have turbo'd many N/A cars before and have been around longer then 5 years. Dropping the car off and letting them do the work. You either do it all your self or will have do a bit of running around towing car here or there or even risking things minor or high risk to get it done. It's just the way it is.

12-12-2013, 09:03 AM	#47
danbowe84 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Qld Car: Sr2 laser Posts: 70	What do u mean by hvc? High voltage coil? And do there will be no problems running the vics manifold(with an aftermarket ecu) or it will still take someone familiar with it to program it to get it to run properly

12-12-2013, 12:44 PM	#48
rodhog Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney Lakemba Car: mx-6 626 Gs300 Maz2 was 95 KF BA-HT Posts: 2,024 View Photos By: rodhog	Heating ventilation control. They call it HAVC now or AHVC. They were integrated or at least sent signals to the Engine control unit's from Central processors as early as 1983 in some mercs. most by mid 90's were telling the unit when the fan was on A/c and if heater was active. By late 90's the fan won't turn on with heater on until engine is at a set minimal temperature. SP20 controls will only be telling the factory ECU to idle up the engine when the A/C is on shut off the A/C output to compressor when at Full throttle and idle up and compensate when blower unit is above number 2 setting. It might do a few others but it's not a climate control unit so it's not going to stop it from running when engines cold etc.

18-12-2013, 06:26 PM	#49
danbowe84 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Qld Car: Sr2 laser Posts: 70	So the intake cam on a Aussie 626 is a fsd7 like the exhaust on a sp20, has anyone changed a sp20 exhaust to a fsh9?

09-01-2014, 07:05 PM	#51
danbowe84 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Qld Car: Sr2 laser Posts: 70	Ok on inspection of cam gears of sp20 motor and 626 motor, they both appear to be identical, same size, all marks in same place, do I need to swap them over?

09-01-2014, 10:39 PM	#53
danbowe84 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Qld Car: Sr2 laser Posts: 70	Ok is it silly to assume that there would he differences you can spot with your naked eye?

14-01-2014, 04:50 PM	#54
Ice88 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Auchenflower, Brisbane Car: Blue SP20 Posts: 2,782	One of the cam gears utilises 1 magnet the other uses 3. __________________