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22-06-2006, 08:22 PM | #1 |
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Ba Engine Swap KL-ZE Or Kl Australian Photos Added
Hey guys as my engine is not so good. I have gone against a complete rebuil which I had quotes at $3000+
Im looking at a KL-ZE swap I currently have a BA 2L hardtop I have a company bringing my motor tomorrow the NEw KL What else do I need Engine Mounts ? Mr Mx 6 saya I need=====the intermediate drive shaft has a mount with 3 holes on the kl and only 2 on the kf.. Anything else.. For people who have done this Im all ears... If the engine comes in tomorrow Im commited so any advice is appreiated and valued....Cheers vadim What is the procedure after i have the motor i meen Am i looking at a slot it job? Or something more?
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22-06-2006, 08:29 PM | #2 |
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Paging Batman to thread #6918
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22-06-2006, 08:42 PM | #3 |
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Come on boys ...I have read alot of the threads through history here but really interested some who has done it or doint it so I understand the details...
KLZE may be tomorrow? If not what do you reckon about the KL-Australian>? Easier? any ideas
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22-06-2006, 08:47 PM | #4 |
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umm.. wait for boostedbatman to wake up and see this thread. he is in the process of a klze (if its still classified as a klze) swap in his hardtop.
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23-06-2006, 03:17 AM | #5 |
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Dont expect you loom sensors to match and you will need another ECU
Engine mounts are the same your Intermediate shaft should fit as it has the holes that arent used on the KF alredy on it well 2 anyway and you just need to drill the 3rd but its already marked You may find that the different KL-ZEs have different EGR sensors and mine has none so this may cause some fabrication for you but not too difficult I believe you have a hardtop so you should have bonnet clearance I will need to know which KL-ZE you have before I can assist further Millenia or MX6, straight or curve neck Intake Manifold Enjoy 200hp of grunt and 223Nm of torque Any other Qs then PM me and I will assist you and If you need a mobile number for a 'phone a friend option' then I will pass it on Good luck and congrats on your decision |
23-06-2006, 01:53 PM | #6 |
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Hey guys I got the Motor its not a Kl-ZE.
The motor seems to be from a GE626 The engine number is KL630136 Does this help... Will the Kl-03 be easier to fit than the ZE.... I will take some pictures and post up here... Does the Kl in the engine number indicate KL sereis motor.... Cheers vadim
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23-06-2006, 06:46 PM | #8 |
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Havin done a bit of research, i think you'll find it's the 170 HP KL that wasn't Jap delivered. The only 2 KL's with a curved Intake Manifold are either the 200Hp Jap spec or the 170Hp Aus/American delivered.
Check this out chum. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...NA:en%26sa%3DN Should be a nice little preformer, seems like it's the next one in line after the 200Hp Jap baby. Almost the same Torque too. |
23-06-2006, 09:02 PM | #9 |
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Japanese: Eunos 800: aka Pre-2000 Millenias
KLZE I have spent the better part of the day trying to work ou what the hell it is .... But I think above info is my lets hope Im right KLZE 200HP
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24-06-2006, 05:52 AM | #10 |
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Well youve come to the right place to find out
And I have some BAD news for you Its from a JDM 626 And the square Intake runners stipulate that the Heads should be Marked above the Intake Ports KL31-1A1 and KL31-101 Which is in fact a KL-ZE 200hp with KL01 cams Exactly the same as mine Exactly the same engine as the Millenia/Eunos 800 Nice find Hope you got a good price on it Here is a pic of the head code on the Left Head First Thumbnail pic Last edited by boostedbatman; 24-06-2006 at 07:01 AM. |
24-06-2006, 06:26 AM | #11 |
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Mazing how you can see all this does the KL at the begining of engine numbe refer to model ie Kl-ZE..
Boost...If you ever have time to do a complete instruction manual on the transplant... I will add information to it and help the NSW side do the same..... Also what is a good price for this ,,,,Has genuine Mazda oil filter could be really good or bad news What service should be done on the motor Timing Belt Water Pump Alternator belt Rocker cover gaskets? Anythinf else apart from new oil and filter Cheers Vadim
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24-06-2006, 09:15 AM | #12 |
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Good find Vadim, we can't wait to see how you go with that!
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24-06-2006, 11:40 AM | #13 |
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EOI .Motor is for sale as no longer keeping the car.
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17-07-2006, 12:52 AM | #14 |
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So glad I found this site am glad that am not the only one swapping.
I have 323f BA v6 model from 95. The old tired v6 engine started to burn oil and instead of selling the car or rebuilding it i decided to swap it for KL-ZE engine. I got straight neck one. Lets just say the car runs like Sh...... But I have a lot of questions. 1 the most important what did you do with the VAF connections batman??? I got KL31 ecu with JE50 VAF and I just got an mx3 plug for the VAF... ZE has also 5 connections as FZ but have you got any wiring diagrams for it??now the car is on KFZE setup. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated thanks. |
21-07-2006, 09:13 PM | #15 |
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lol anybody?? if you did the swap somebody must have come across this problem???
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22-07-2006, 04:56 AM | #16 |
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Some of us who do this swap choose to use an aftermarket ECU (eg:Microtech) where neither MAF or VAF are required
Here are some wiring diagrams from the KF engine and you may need to get a wiring diagram from the states to suit the VAF, check out www.probetalk.com and ask them for the wiring diagram for the VAF and you should then be able to sort it out by just soldering the right wires together if you have the VAF clip http://www.astinagt.com/reference/BA...-3a_KF_ECS.jpg http://www.astinagt.com/reference/BA...-3b_KF_ECS.jpg http://www.astinagt.com/reference/BA...-3c_KF_ECS.jpg |
22-07-2006, 07:32 PM | #17 |
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Just spit balling...
Why not use the Astina ECU , distributor and AFM? This would avoid a lot of modification and speculation. The AFM would recognise the increased air flow, the distributor would provide the spark as it should and in closed loop the ECU would learn the new settings with the help of the EGO. May even save a few bucks on the way.
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22-07-2006, 11:26 PM | #18 | |
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24-07-2006, 02:54 AM | #19 |
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Astina ECU has the VRIS points at the wrong settings and wont take full benefit from the engine
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