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Old 04-02-2014, 11:31 AM   #1
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Cool FS-DE or FS-ZE?

Hi guys,

My current FS-DE is closing in on 250,000kms and while it's running tip top at the moment it's obviously closing in on the end of it's life. I can't afford to be without a car for any length of time so I'm looking at buying an engine and swapping it in. I've been looking into the FS-ZE and it looks like I can get one landed for around $1300, but I'm not sure what the swap involves. Is it plug and play with the FS-DE ecu or will I have to find a ZE ecu?

The other option of course is just to swap in another DE from a wreckers that has relatively low km's. Does anyone know what one would be worth roughly?

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Old 04-02-2014, 11:56 AM   #2
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ZE will swap straight in.

New water pump + new belts.
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Old 04-02-2014, 12:06 PM   #3
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Big difference over the stock DE? The ZE seems like the logical way to go. I'd give the motor a full overhaul before it went in, belts, pump, seals + gaskets ect. (:
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Old 04-02-2014, 12:56 PM   #4
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Ive been running a ZE in my car for the last 20mths, hasnt missed a beat (although my ZE only had 63k when shipped over) and it runs fine on the DE ECU

Motor, swap-over & parts will set you back around $2.5-3k, but IMO is money well spent.
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Ive been running a ZE in my car for the last 20mths, hasnt missed a beat (although my ZE only had 63k when shipped over) and it runs fine on the DE ECU

Motor, swap-over & parts will set you back around $2.5-3k, but IMO is money well spent.
That including the money to paysome one to swap?
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Sweet! I'd be doing the swap myself so that should save me some cash. Much of a performance gain?
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With good headers, exhaust, intake you net maybe 110 at the wheels. IIRC Marc put down 130hp?

I definitley think its worth while.
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Considering I want to put in a newer engine anyway I think it's a no brainer to go with the ZE. How much did you pay for the engine Marc if you don't mind me asking?
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We got them cheapish as a friend imported them all at once.

I paid ~1400 I think and that easily covered it.
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There's a couple on the Japan auctions that'd be under $1200 landed in Melb via container, to give you an idea.

http://auctions.search.yahoo.co.jp/s...ab_ex=commerce
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I noticed both those engines dont come with harness and are automatic, does that matter.
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That including the money to paysome one to swap?
Yep!
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There's a couple on the Japan auctions that'd be under $1200 landed in Melb via container, to give you an idea.

http://auctions.search.yahoo.co.jp/s...ab_ex=commerce
Sweet. Probably looking to go ahead on one in about a month, they're pretty easy to get a hold of right? Thanks for your help guys, really appreciate it!
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They are NOT easy to get a hold of, actually for a standard engine they are one of the more elusive ones. its not like ringing up jap imports and asking for a 4AGE, GZE or SR20DET, for some reason there isn't that many around.
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Easy to get from Japan - there's always a few at any given time
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They are NOT easy to get a hold of, actually for a standard engine they are one of the more elusive ones. its not like ringing up jap imports and asking for a 4AGE, GZE or SR20DET, for some reason there isn't that many around.
you haven't looked hard enough or talked to the right people
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Easy to get from Japan - there's always a few at any given time
Sweet, I'll be getting in contact with you in a month or so when I've got a bit of time to play with!
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