HID for 97 BA HT - Page 2

astina_hardtop97 · 06-05-2010, 01:00 PM

they are proper HID's with ballast and all that and where cheapies bought from china and 35w, i should probably compare with better quality hid's

70NYD · 06-05-2010, 01:43 PM

i have 35w cheapies from china 2, myn were a huge improvement over the halogens

astina_hardtop97 · 06-05-2010, 01:52 PM

i'll try and get a pic sorted showing how they work, they also seem to project alot of light out the side of the car and concentrate light about 600mm off the ground and below 600mm they fade out the a light haze if that makes sense. the factory halogens still concentrate flat about 600mm high but make more light below 600mm and none out the sides.

bourbon · 06-05-2010, 02:04 PM

HIDs in projectors will **** over halogens in projectors anyday...even a dead HID in a projector is better than a hallogen

hahaha...

astina_hardtop97 · 06-05-2010, 02:07 PM

maybe they are not full 35w as they say they look the same brightness on the h3 55w lights when looking directly at them from a distance and they are supposed to be 3x the brightness of halogens so maybe they are on 19w HID's..

Clean_Cookie · 06-05-2010, 02:11 PM

buy another set of bulbs and try them be Auss they are pretty cheap

marcs_sp20 · 06-05-2010, 02:46 PM

you can get hid bulb's that have shields on them to stop light from going outwards

RustyKaos · 06-05-2010, 02:57 PM

I thought the only ones with the sheilds on them are the H4 as these are never in a projector housing?

project.r.racing · 13-06-2010, 03:19 PM

Another HID question:-

8000K? Has anyone had issues with the popo with the bluish colouring?

I'm thinking of getting the 8000K as 6000K is too bright, I was having issues driving back from skidpan with Astinas fitted with 6000K blubs, as I could not see as the light reflecton thru my mirrors was extreme. And 6000K are almost the same brightness as original high beams.

So I'm thinking the bightness loss from 8000K should fix this issue? And gain rep points at my local maccas?

marcs_sp20 · 13-06-2010, 05:35 PM

4300K's would be enough me thinks for you Ryan, as thats what I was blinding you with

You'll prolly find 8000K's to be way too bright, and attention grabbing by the coppers..

70NYD · 13-06-2010, 06:45 PM

8000k will be very annoying to other drivers, even tho 4300k is technically brighter, its still white, while the blue given from 8000 will be more attention grabbing. overall the brightness to other drivers will be about the same, but the bluer it is the less you will c and more you will anoy others

project.r.racing · 13-06-2010, 07:41 PM

Marc, you are confusing lumens and kelvin.

4300K being a neutral white colour will be the brightest available. Still 6000K is very close and still super bright. And as you move higher up the kelvin temps, the bluer and and darker the light becomes.

Iunderstand that 8000K will attract attention (as per my post). Amd I'm not too fussed with this as I don't do the night-time laps/cruise sceen any more. Just was curious whether it reaalt does attract that much popo attention of not?

What I do wanna know is that as 8000K is not as bright as 4300K/6000K, would it be better you use as the brightness wont effect/blind other drivers so much?

And as HIDs are 2x/3x more brighter than halogen bulbs, will the slight loss of brightness from using 8000K really effect my vision?

marcs_sp20 · 13-06-2010, 08:03 PM

if you want to know how much of a prick 8000k-12000k lights are, try being behind a 300c, any new BMW or Honda Accord Euro for 30mins and come back to me

They are pretty bad, they may be better for highway driving, but if you are the person infront of them, they really will piss you off...

Brisbane_boy · 13-06-2010, 08:22 PM

I got 8000k in the gaurage.
I ordered 6000 but the guy must of made a mistake.
If you need H4s let me know.

project.r.racing · 13-06-2010, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcs_sp20

if you want to know how much of a prick 8000k-12000k lights are, try being behind a 300c, any new BMW or Honda Accord Euro for 30mins and come back to me

They are pretty bad, they may be better for highway driving, but if you are the person infront of them, they really will piss you off...

so same as 4300K/6000K? cos they annoy the shiz out of me being so bright. best i don't get any and stick with halogen.

Clean_Cookie · 14-06-2010, 08:43 AM

well i find that the 300c's are the worst, next followed by the honda accords and bmw x5's... the 4300 imho from marcs car seemed to hurt my eyes more than the blues from either tony's or my car at one meetup a while back. but i agree - i prbably annoy a few drivers, but i actively drive in a position which wont catch their side mirrors - because thats the real blinding spot! (and the fact you cant see anything out of them!) ive found if you tilt the rear vision mirror up (as per normal night driving) its not bad at night, except for a few moments when those bloody 300's go over a crest or something. otherwise its not really an issue for me>)

project.r.racing · 14-06-2010, 09:37 AM

i think i'm just gonna go with 8000K. more blue = less bright. i can always change the blubs if i have issues later on.

for those with HIDs, did you re aim your headlights slightly lower once you installed them?

RustyKaos · 14-06-2010, 10:20 AM

I reaimed mine when I installed them and you also really notice the right hand cut off. Will hopefully install some high beams soon. And as for Marcs I think yours are set too high from what I saw when driving at night.

marcs_sp20 · 14-06-2010, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tc3_racer_001

well i find that the 300c's are the worst, next followed by the honda accords and bmw x5's... the 4300 imho from marcs car seemed to hurt my eyes more than the blues from either tony's or my car at one meetup a while back. but i agree - i prbably annoy a few drivers, but i actively drive in a position which wont catch their side mirrors - because thats the real blinding spot! (and the fact you cant see anything out of them!) ive found if you tilt the rear vision mirror up (as per normal night driving) its not bad at night, except for a few moments when those bloody 300's go over a crest or something. otherwise its not really an issue for me>)

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustyKaos

I reaimed mine when I installed them and you also really notice the right hand cut off. Will hopefully install some high beams soon. And as for Marcs I think yours are set too high from what I saw when driving at night.

They were aimed pretty high when I first installed them (as the eyelids cut off most of the bright light) but re-aimed them just before skidpan day weekend, so what meet up are ya's talking about

Ryan you may find yours will be pretty spot on from the get go as for aligning them lower, as you are putting them into projector housings whereas most just put them into normal fragmented housings, the main difference being our lights scatter a lot more to the sides...

RustyKaos · 14-06-2010, 05:51 PM

Fragmented are not just to the sides they go everywhere. I found out that HIDs are also "meant" to have a lens washer as dust and grime can reflect the beam and apparently blind oncoming traffic. What gets me is that cars that have these washers usually never use them. Yes marc I was talking about skidpan but I thought your lenses were projectors as well? If they are not then that explains it.

I have to say any 4wd fitted with HIDs are the worst (X5's mainly) and the 300C. The accords aren't too bad but you can tell when they are behind you.

06-05-2010, 01:43 PM	#22
70NYD Veni, vidi, vici Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Brisbane Car: 1996 BA Hatch & 2005 RX8 Posts: 4,911 View Photos By: 70NYD	i have 35w cheapies from china 2, myn were a huge improvement over the halogens __________________

06-05-2010, 02:04 PM	#24
bourbon The Hairy Mod Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: southside ya'll and North Side, Brissy Car: MINI Cooper S 2003 Posts: 8,110	HIDs in projectors will ** over halogens in projectors anyday...even a dead HID in a projector is better than a hallogen hahaha... __________________ For All your crash repair panels & lights, clear lights contact us at PANEL HOUSE 45 RANDALL ST SLACKS CREEK QLD 4127 PHONE : 07 3808 8737 FAX : 07 3808 8735**

06-05-2010, 02:11 PM	#26
Clean_Cookie obsessed-incomplete-broke Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Brisbane Car: BA Hardtop/Hatch Posts: 5,441	buy another set of bulbs and try them be Auss they are pretty cheap __________________ Worklog

06-05-2010, 02:46 PM	#27
marcs_sp20 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ipswich, Queensland Car: 2002 Mazda Astina SP20 2006 Mazda 6 GY Wagon Posts: 9,769 View Photos By: marcs_sp20	you can get hid bulb's that have shields on them to stop light from going outwards __________________

06-05-2010, 02:57 PM	#28
RustyKaos Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: North Side Brisbane Car: 1998 BA 323 Astina Hardtop Posts: 1,414 View Photos By: RustyKaos	I thought the only ones with the sheilds on them are the H4 as these are never in a projector housing? __________________ Everytime an idiot dies, 20 more are born. Come challenge me. I dare ya.

06-05-2010, 01:00 PM	#21
astina_hardtop97 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sydney Car: Turbo v8 and 1.8l 323 Posts: 87	they are proper HID's with ballast and all that and where cheapies bought from china and 35w, i should probably compare with better quality hid's

06-05-2010, 01:52 PM	#23
astina_hardtop97 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sydney Car: Turbo v8 and 1.8l 323 Posts: 87	i'll try and get a pic sorted showing how they work, they also seem to project alot of light out the side of the car and concentrate light about 600mm off the ground and below 600mm they fade out the a light haze if that makes sense. the factory halogens still concentrate flat about 600mm high but make more light below 600mm and none out the sides.

06-05-2010, 02:07 PM	#25
astina_hardtop97 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sydney Car: Turbo v8 and 1.8l 323 Posts: 87	maybe they are not full 35w as they say they look the same brightness on the h3 55w lights when looking directly at them from a distance and they are supposed to be 3x the brightness of halogens so maybe they are on 19w HID's..

13-06-2010, 03:19 PM	#29
project.r.racing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: n/a Car: n/a Posts: 10,929	Another HID question:- 8000K? Has anyone had issues with the popo with the bluish colouring? I'm thinking of getting the 8000K as 6000K is too bright, I was having issues driving back from skidpan with Astinas fitted with 6000K blubs, as I could not see as the light reflecton thru my mirrors was extreme. And 6000K are almost the same brightness as original high beams. So I'm thinking the bightness loss from 8000K should fix this issue? And gain rep points at my local maccas? Last edited by project.r.racing; 13-06-2010 at 03:22 PM.

13-06-2010, 05:35 PM	#30
marcs_sp20 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ipswich, Queensland Car: 2002 Mazda Astina SP20 2006 Mazda 6 GY Wagon Posts: 9,769 View Photos By: marcs_sp20	4300K's would be enough me thinks for you Ryan, as thats what I was blinding you with You'll prolly find 8000K's to be way too bright, and attention grabbing by the coppers.. __________________

13-06-2010, 06:45 PM	#31
70NYD Veni, vidi, vici Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Brisbane Car: 1996 BA Hatch & 2005 RX8 Posts: 4,911 View Photos By: 70NYD	8000k will be very annoying to other drivers, even tho 4300k is technically brighter, its still white, while the blue given from 8000 will be more attention grabbing. overall the brightness to other drivers will be about the same, but the bluer it is the less you will c and more you will anoy others __________________

13-06-2010, 07:41 PM	#32
project.r.racing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: n/a Car: n/a Posts: 10,929	Marc, you are confusing lumens and kelvin. 4300K being a neutral white colour will be the brightest available. Still 6000K is very close and still super bright. And as you move higher up the kelvin temps, the bluer and and darker the light becomes. Iunderstand that 8000K will attract attention (as per my post). Amd I'm not too fussed with this as I don't do the night-time laps/cruise sceen any more. Just was curious whether it reaalt does attract that much popo attention of not? What I do wanna know is that as 8000K is not as bright as 4300K/6000K, would it be better you use as the brightness wont effect/blind other drivers so much? And as HIDs are 2x/3x more brighter than halogen bulbs, will the slight loss of brightness from using 8000K really effect my vision? Last edited by project.r.racing; 13-06-2010 at 07:46 PM.

13-06-2010, 08:03 PM	#33
marcs_sp20 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ipswich, Queensland Car: 2002 Mazda Astina SP20 2006 Mazda 6 GY Wagon Posts: 9,769 View Photos By: marcs_sp20	if you want to know how much of a prick 8000k-12000k lights are, try being behind a 300c, any new BMW or Honda Accord Euro for 30mins and come back to me They are pretty bad, they may be better for highway driving, but if you are the person infront of them, they really will piss you off... __________________

13-06-2010, 08:22 PM	#34
Brisbane_boy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Brisbane QLD Car: 2002 323 astina Posts: 1,059	I got 8000k in the gaurage. I ordered 6000 but the guy must of made a mistake. If you need H4s let me know.

14-06-2010, 08:43 AM	#36
Clean_Cookie obsessed-incomplete-broke Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Brisbane Car: BA Hardtop/Hatch Posts: 5,441	well i find that the 300c's are the worst, next followed by the honda accords and bmw x5's... the 4300 imho from marcs car seemed to hurt my eyes more than the blues from either tony's or my car at one meetup a while back. but i agree - i prbably annoy a few drivers, but i actively drive in a position which wont catch their side mirrors - because thats the real blinding spot! (and the fact you cant see anything out of them!) ive found if you tilt the rear vision mirror up (as per normal night driving) its not bad at night, except for a few moments when those bloody 300's go over a crest or something. otherwise its not really an issue for me>) __________________ Worklog

14-06-2010, 09:37 AM	#37
project.r.racing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: n/a Car: n/a Posts: 10,929	i think i'm just gonna go with 8000K. more blue = less bright. i can always change the blubs if i have issues later on. for those with HIDs, did you re aim your headlights slightly lower once you installed them? Last edited by project.r.racing; 14-06-2010 at 10:10 AM.

14-06-2010, 10:20 AM	#38
RustyKaos Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: North Side Brisbane Car: 1998 BA 323 Astina Hardtop Posts: 1,414 View Photos By: RustyKaos	I reaimed mine when I installed them and you also really notice the right hand cut off. Will hopefully install some high beams soon. And as for Marcs I think yours are set too high from what I saw when driving at night. __________________ Everytime an idiot dies, 20 more are born. Come challenge me. I dare ya.

14-06-2010, 05:51 PM	#40
RustyKaos Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: North Side Brisbane Car: 1998 BA 323 Astina Hardtop Posts: 1,414 View Photos By: RustyKaos	Fragmented are not just to the sides they go everywhere. I found out that HIDs are also "meant" to have a lens washer as dust and grime can reflect the beam and apparently blind oncoming traffic. What gets me is that cars that have these washers usually never use them. Yes marc I was talking about skidpan but I thought your lenses were projectors as well? If they are not then that explains it. I have to say any 4wd fitted with HIDs are the worst (X5's mainly) and the 300C. The accords aren't too bad but you can tell when they are behind you. __________________ Everytime an idiot dies, 20 more are born. Come challenge me. I dare ya.