17x9 +25/15 all round on a sp20 hatch

jakez88 · 02-01-2011, 10:15 PM

hey guys just new to this forum and a proud owner of a yellow 2002 323 sp20 hatch.

prior to this i have owned many imports (r33s, r32s,180sx) and that is all i have owned ever since i had my license but now i have bought this as a daily driver. i have pretty good knowledge on fitting wheels as i am a wheel whore LoL but have no idea what i can fit under a sp20.

now i need to know if the specified sizes will fit "17x9 +25/15" inside the guards with possibly 215/40r17's. i am also at looking at lowering it in the very near future with springs but not super low, i am looking for legal low.

i am prepared to modify guards and so on and i am also aware that there will be abit/alot of wheel pokage but that is also what i want

, although i just need to know if this is doable or just stupid as i have no idea what the guards on these things can take plus space on the inside of the wheel.

any help would be awesome!

Mad Mat · 02-01-2011, 11:13 PM

hey mate.. u need about a 35 offset max i'm runnin a 18x7 and a offset of 50 and i have about 10 mm between the tire and the guards...

mynameisdaniel · 02-01-2011, 11:26 PM

checkout mazdas247 for a thread about aggressive wheel fitment/hellaflush i think it's been done but requires a lot of guard work and camber.

jakez88 · 02-01-2011, 11:57 PM

ah awesome thanks for that guys.

i found an awesome page for sp20 fitment.

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showt...oll-Call/page2

the black sp20 on that page is running 17x9 +35 and 17x9+10 and it looks pretty good.

i am gonna do 17x9 +25 all round and i'm pretty sure that should be safe enough compared to the 17x9 +10 that guy is running on that forum although i will try and fit either a 215 40 on instead of a 195 40. 195 40 is just stupid on a 9. i'll see how i go.

marcs_sp20 · 03-01-2011, 12:14 AM

Theres a bloke in the US who has what I think is the most "FlushasFcuk" Protege5 ever!

Quote:

Tires/Rim Mods:
-Blox Extended Lugs
-Blox Extended Studs
-Federal ss595 205/40/17 (2 Inch Stretch)
-H&R 25mm Spacers Rear
-Hub Centric Rings
-XXR 962 17x9 +35 front
-XXR 962 17x9 +10 Rear

EDIT: Just saw the above post - a bit slow I am tonight

phunkdust · 03-01-2011, 01:43 AM

Poke isn't legal here though for a road car, you'd need to have flared arches or otherwise be a little less adventurous with the wheel width/offset. You can probably still stretch though, can't say I've ever heard someone getting done for it.

project.r.racing · 03-01-2011, 09:15 AM

any reason why you need such big rims? the little FS-DE will have issues moving all that extra rotational weight around.

Orion · 03-01-2011, 10:40 AM

Speaking of legalities, just watch how much extra track (distance between the centrelines of the left and right rims) you end up with. I know in Queensland, you are not supposed to increase the track by more than 25mm.

jakez88 · 03-01-2011, 10:59 AM

yeh i know about the legalities guys and in vic everything here is illegal lol.

driving an import cops will want to do you for anything, for example one of my friends got defected for having a half full water bottle and bad windscreen wipers because they couldn't find anything else wrong with his skyline LOL.

i am prepared though for the circumstances and i have been with all my cars and i don't want anything too crazy but i want good fitment and i think i can speak for everyone that i haven't seen or yet to see awesome wheel/tire fitment on a sp20 on a road here in vic.

wheel weight i am actually thinking about now although alot of people are running 18" stock mazda wheels like cx7s and mazda 3/6 mps' and usually they weigh around 10kg's. the wheels i want to get in 17x9 weigh just under 10kgs.

marcs_sp20 · 03-01-2011, 12:58 PM

Legalities aside, if you were to run the +25 on the rear with a 10mm spacer, extreme rolling of guards and dialling in a lot of camber, you may just get it the wheels to sit flush...

All I can say is, I await to see pics!

jakez88 · 03-01-2011, 01:03 PM

yes indeed

once i get everything done i will post pics but it may be a month or 2. need to lower the car also and in saying that...anyone got some good lowering springs for sale? LoL

you reckon +15 would look better marc? the thing is i don't really want to be running epic camber so i think a +25 will be good enough but we'll see how i go.

project.r.racing · 03-01-2011, 06:15 PM

10kg rims will be fine. lots heavier rims fitted to SP20 pout there.

from rough calculations, i do not think the +25 offset rims will have clearance against the struts. (so the spacer may have to happen).

i did a calculation between 7.5 wide +42 and your listed rims. the +15 had 8mm more clearance the the 7.5 rims (allows of more camber) but the +25 rim had 2mm less clearance. so no room for camber adjustments at all.

those whom run 18x7.5 rims will be able to tell you how much clearance they have.

jakez88 · 03-01-2011, 07:52 PM

ah interesting. so maybe 17x9 +15 might be the go...i'll suss it out and any other recommendations and help would be awesome!

Buzz_LightYear · 03-01-2011, 08:16 PM

i'd be more concerned you wanna run 215 tyres on a 9 inch wide rim.

jakez88 · 03-01-2011, 09:21 PM

hehe i do it all the time

but its the lowest i'd put.

jakez88 · 04-01-2011, 11:17 PM

just a quick update guys. i had no idea how this would of turned out but i decided to try my avs 5's in 17x8 +38 and 17x9 +38 that i had lying around on the sp20.

the sp20 did not take the 17x9 +38 at all due to clearance issues with the shocks although the 17x8 +38 fitted very well. it actually had some pokeage at about 3mm and had no issues with touching anything but in saying that i have not lowered the car yet.

heres a picture of the wheels on the front. they stuck out a little more on the rears. tyres are 225/45r17 continentals.

17x9 +25/15 would poke out stupidly LoL. i think i will stay in the region of 17x8 +30.

marcs_sp20 · 04-01-2011, 11:32 PM

If the budget accomodates, I'd be looking at coilovers for a bit more room clearance wise

jakez88 · 07-01-2011, 01:17 AM

was bored so i chucked the 33's wheels on it LoL

TE37 18x9.5 +12

but in all seriousness i have found some avs model 6 wheels which are lightweight and in 17x8 +30 which should be good. once i get them i will put pictures up of fitment.

Rupewrecht · 07-01-2011, 09:54 AM

LOL, just a bit of poke.

A.E · 27-01-2011, 01:02 AM

I have 16x7 +35 all round and I had to get my rear guards rolled. The fronts are fine.

I'm happy with the look just want king spring super lows now.

02-01-2011, 10:15 PM	#1
jakez88 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Westside, VIC Car: 2002 Mazda 323 SP20 Posts: 72	17x9 +25/15 all round on a sp20 hatch hey guys just new to this forum and a proud owner of a yellow 2002 323 sp20 hatch. prior to this i have owned many imports (r33s, r32s,180sx) and that is all i have owned ever since i had my license but now i have bought this as a daily driver. i have pretty good knowledge on fitting wheels as i am a wheel whore LoL but have no idea what i can fit under a sp20. now i need to know if the specified sizes will fit "17x9 +25/15" inside the guards with possibly 215/40r17's. i am also at looking at lowering it in the very near future with springs but not super low, i am looking for legal low. i am prepared to modify guards and so on and i am also aware that there will be abit/alot of wheel pokage but that is also what i want , although i just need to know if this is doable or just stupid as i have no idea what the guards on these things can take plus space on the inside of the wheel. any help would be awesome!

02-01-2011, 11:13 PM	#2
Mad Mat HONEYWELL REPRESENT Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Salisbury - Inner City Car: 1997 BA Hardtop - Had a 2003 BJii J48 Sport20, and 2x bg SOHC astina hatches Posts: 5,011 View Photos By: Mad Mat	hey mate.. u need about a 35 offset max i'm runnin a 18x7 and a offset of 50 and i have about 10 mm between the tire and the guards... __________________ PROJECT "Catalina" 1994 323 BG Hatch 2005-2007 Crashed into truck 1991 323 BG Hatch 2007-2008/9 SOLD 2003 BJ SP20 J48 Hatch 2008-2011 Regretfully SOLD 1997 BA I4 Sedan 2012-CURRENT 1985 BF 323 Hatch 2014-2015SOLD 1989 MX5 2015-2015

02-01-2011, 11:26 PM	#3
mynameisdaniel Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Adelaide, Australia Car: 07 Subaru Liberty GT Spec B tuned by STi Posts: 912 View Photos By: mynameisdaniel	checkout mazdas247 for a thread about aggressive wheel fitment/hellaflush i think it's been done but requires a lot of guard work and camber. __________________

03-01-2011, 01:43 AM	#6
phunkdust AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Melb Car: SP20 Posts: 394	Poke isn't legal here though for a road car, you'd need to have flared arches or otherwise be a little less adventurous with the wheel width/offset. You can probably still stretch though, can't say I've ever heard someone getting done for it. Last edited by phunkdust; 03-01-2011 at 01:49 AM.

03-01-2011, 10:40 AM	#8
Orion SP20 Member! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Brisbane Car: Mazda SP20 sedan Posts: 1,769 View Photos By: Orion	Speaking of legalities, just watch how much extra track (distance between the centrelines of the left and right rims) you end up with. I know in Queensland, you are not supposed to increase the track by more than 25mm. __________________ Exhaust: Autoexe headers; Custom midpipe; Racing Beat catback Engine: AWR mounts; Twiggy cams; Custom CAI; RR Racing UDP; Mishimoto rad EMS: Microtech LT-10; J&S Safeguard; Gearbox: MSP LSD; Fidanza flywheel; 5th gear Rims/Suspension: MX-5 rims; Tokico Illuminas; Eibach Pro-kit; Progress RSB; AutoExe STB Exterior: MSP front lip & rear spoiler; Matt V headlights; AutoExe grill; EDM tails Interior: JVC AVX-77; Autometer gauges; DaveBs; B&M shifter Projects to come: Engine rebuild

02-01-2011, 11:57 PM	#4
jakez88 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Westside, VIC Car: 2002 Mazda 323 SP20 Posts: 72	ah awesome thanks for that guys. i found an awesome page for sp20 fitment. http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showt...oll-Call/page2 the black sp20 on that page is running 17x9 +35 and 17x9+10 and it looks pretty good. i am gonna do 17x9 +25 all round and i'm pretty sure that should be safe enough compared to the 17x9 +10 that guy is running on that forum although i will try and fit either a 215 40 on instead of a 195 40. 195 40 is just stupid on a 9. i'll see how i go.

03-01-2011, 09:15 AM	#7
project.r.racing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: n/a Car: n/a Posts: 10,929	any reason why you need such big rims? the little FS-DE will have issues moving all that extra rotational weight around.

03-01-2011, 10:59 AM	#9
jakez88 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Westside, VIC Car: 2002 Mazda 323 SP20 Posts: 72	yeh i know about the legalities guys and in vic everything here is illegal lol. driving an import cops will want to do you for anything, for example one of my friends got defected for having a half full water bottle and bad windscreen wipers because they couldn't find anything else wrong with his skyline LOL. i am prepared though for the circumstances and i have been with all my cars and i don't want anything too crazy but i want good fitment and i think i can speak for everyone that i haven't seen or yet to see awesome wheel/tire fitment on a sp20 on a road here in vic. wheel weight i am actually thinking about now although alot of people are running 18" stock mazda wheels like cx7s and mazda 3/6 mps' and usually they weigh around 10kg's. the wheels i want to get in 17x9 weigh just under 10kgs.

03-01-2011, 12:58 PM	#10
marcs_sp20 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ipswich, Queensland Car: 2002 Mazda Astina SP20 2006 Mazda 6 GY Wagon Posts: 9,769 View Photos By: marcs_sp20	Legalities aside, if you were to run the +25 on the rear with a 10mm spacer, extreme rolling of guards and dialling in a lot of camber, you may just get it the wheels to sit flush... All I can say is, I await to see pics! __________________

03-01-2011, 01:03 PM	#11
jakez88 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Westside, VIC Car: 2002 Mazda 323 SP20 Posts: 72	yes indeed once i get everything done i will post pics but it may be a month or 2. need to lower the car also and in saying that...anyone got some good lowering springs for sale? LoL you reckon +15 would look better marc? the thing is i don't really want to be running epic camber so i think a +25 will be good enough but we'll see how i go.

03-01-2011, 06:15 PM	#12
project.r.racing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: n/a Car: n/a Posts: 10,929	10kg rims will be fine. lots heavier rims fitted to SP20 pout there. from rough calculations, i do not think the +25 offset rims will have clearance against the struts. (so the spacer may have to happen). i did a calculation between 7.5 wide +42 and your listed rims. the +15 had 8mm more clearance the the 7.5 rims (allows of more camber) but the +25 rim had 2mm less clearance. so no room for camber adjustments at all. those whom run 18x7.5 rims will be able to tell you how much clearance they have.

03-01-2011, 07:52 PM	#13
jakez88 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Westside, VIC Car: 2002 Mazda 323 SP20 Posts: 72	ah interesting. so maybe 17x9 +15 might be the go...i'll suss it out and any other recommendations and help would be awesome!

03-01-2011, 08:16 PM	#14
Buzz_LightYear Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Gladstone, QLD Car: 00 wrx Posts: 136 View Photos By: Buzz_LightYear	i'd be more concerned you wanna run 215 tyres on a 9 inch wide rim. __________________ i am only here cause i miss my 323, and rupe White MY00 WRX with some good stuff to make it drive nicely . 13.74 @ 156km/h Beneraby Raceway 1:14.75 Wet Track @ Lakeside Park My Mazdaspeed 12a powered 1977 mazda 929 its progress http://s157.photobucket.com/albums/t..._boy123/NYN29/

03-01-2011, 09:21 PM	#15
jakez88 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Westside, VIC Car: 2002 Mazda 323 SP20 Posts: 72	hehe i do it all the time but its the lowest i'd put.

04-01-2011, 11:17 PM	#16
jakez88 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Westside, VIC Car: 2002 Mazda 323 SP20 Posts: 72	just a quick update guys. i had no idea how this would of turned out but i decided to try my avs 5's in 17x8 +38 and 17x9 +38 that i had lying around on the sp20. the sp20 did not take the 17x9 +38 at all due to clearance issues with the shocks although the 17x8 +38 fitted very well. it actually had some pokeage at about 3mm and had no issues with touching anything but in saying that i have not lowered the car yet. heres a picture of the wheels on the front. they stuck out a little more on the rears. tyres are 225/45r17 continentals. 17x9 +25/15 would poke out stupidly LoL. i think i will stay in the region of 17x8 +30.

04-01-2011, 11:32 PM	#17
marcs_sp20 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ipswich, Queensland Car: 2002 Mazda Astina SP20 2006 Mazda 6 GY Wagon Posts: 9,769 View Photos By: marcs_sp20	If the budget accomodates, I'd be looking at coilovers for a bit more room clearance wise __________________

07-01-2011, 01:17 AM	#18
jakez88 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Westside, VIC Car: 2002 Mazda 323 SP20 Posts: 72	was bored so i chucked the 33's wheels on it LoL TE37 18x9.5 +12 but in all seriousness i have found some avs model 6 wheels which are lightweight and in 17x8 +30 which should be good. once i get them i will put pictures up of fitment.

07-01-2011, 09:54 AM	#19
Rupewrecht Administrator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: melb.vic.au Car: AZ-1, Astina Hardtop Turbo, BJ Protege, Beetle Posts: 16,525 View Photos By: Rupewrecht	LOL, just a bit of poke. __________________ jdmparts.rupewrecht.com Sourcing your not-quite-overnight parts from Japan WRECHT--\|--SLOWTEGE--\|--BEETLE--\|--SUBSTITUTE--\|--AZ-1

27-01-2011, 01:02 AM	#20
A.E Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Bass hill Car: SP20 2002 yellow Posts: 775 View Photos By: A.E	I have 16x7 +35 all round and I had to get my rear guards rolled. The fronts are fine. I'm happy with the look just want king spring super lows now.