HOW TO: HID installation and review for BA Astina (94-98) *56K warning*!! - Page 2

CityEnd · 30-03-2005, 02:30 PM

yeah depends on where the number plate is.. either on the boot or the bar...
i think mine light up the ones on the bar, but not on the boot. but lights up the boot section on cars who r on the left lane of me.

platypus · 30-03-2005, 02:34 PM

hehe, mine lights up the ones on the boot

and it should light lower on the right

robprice · 30-03-2005, 03:07 PM

on the subject of legalitys of hid, dad bought an rx8 with leather pack not long ago. obvioiusly this comes with xenon lamps for low beam. The car has windscreen style squirters on the head lights (they spray the whole car they're that strong, and work whenever you hit the windscreen suirters). The salesman at mazda hornsby (hinrick i think his name was) said it is illigal to have xenon without these. The reason being that the cool blue/rainbow look you get from cars with xenon is not from the xenon lamps themseves. Its from dried water dropplets on the front of the lens that refact the light. Dunno if hes right or not but he is normally a very knowelageable bloke, especially about mazdas and german cars.

platypus · 30-03-2005, 04:03 PM

water dries to water vapour... it leaves no extra,

water marks are caused by outside air drying on or in the water.... water spots don't exist in a vacumm......

sounds uber fishy to me, esp since you can run a HID globe outside of an enclosure......

Rupewrecht · 30-03-2005, 04:34 PM

but he's not talking about inside the light fixture, he means spots on the outside of the lens/headlight...

platypus · 30-03-2005, 05:11 PM

i know that....

Rupewrecht · 30-03-2005, 05:20 PM

well how would there not be water marks on the outside of the lense to reflect off then?

make sense

platypus · 30-03-2005, 05:28 PM

clean lenses

robprice · 30-03-2005, 05:29 PM

thats it. and the water spots cause refraction because the light is so white, making that rainbow look you see when they come towards you. xenon by itself is just off being a pure white light. Anyway thats what we got told about them and if you find a car with HID and no water sprayers ill be very suprised. The non leather rx8 doesnt have them, or at least ones that work.

platypus · 30-03-2005, 05:42 PM

the HID lights are sold by the temperature that they light, which determines the colour...

the rainbow is there for the same reason that the sky is blue... its the refraction through the lens and viewing angle....

water sprayers were a european legality me thinks but i'm not sure it was only for HID lights... peugeot/volvo/audi etc have been putting these on cars for a long time now...

from what i can work out the real issue is if the lights are self leveling...

but i love the water sprayers on the headlights!!! water runs against the spring pushs the bar out, and then sprays the lights... then pops back in when done

robprice · 30-03-2005, 05:47 PM

im 99% sure its an ADR too. They are cool but if your cars clean they fix that quick-smart. Also you dont want to use anything but water in it if you like your polish.

mazdaguy01 · 26-04-2005, 09:42 AM

After seeing this install I went shopping around. I can get hella kits for around $1500 and narva ones down as low as $1200. Has anyone found them anycheaper. I thought someone mentioned $500 but I cant remember where.

twilightprotege · 26-04-2005, 09:51 AM

i got mine from america/hong kong for $400aud (i think - cant remember but it was under $500)

CRA23 · 27-04-2005, 09:32 AM

i think all HID kits are illegal cos there are none that are ADR approved, like most of the blue tinted zenon bulbs arnt ADR approved.

i cant find any HID that are ADR aproved but i think if u a good install u should be fine

skippy · 27-04-2005, 11:24 AM

So are you saying the cheapish blue head light globes do not actually make any difference to visability only look cool. Like $60 bucks as I recall,

I was thinking about getting some cause they are pretty cheap, thought they where a mild improvement, told they last longer (if they last a month) and they look cool.
But if not an actual improvement for my visibility Baaah stuffem.

FYI that Rx7 on Sunday can water spray a car travelling not all that close behind it, See my bonnent for proof.

chicaboo · 27-04-2005, 02:14 PM

HID or any globes are only legal up to 6000K as far as I know.
If my headlights ever go out I will just get the Philips 4300K pure white things for the headlights and foglights. I don't need blue lights on the front of the car, and police will pull you over for it if they are blue enough...

platypus · 27-04-2005, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skippy

So are you saying the cheapish blue head light globes do not actually make any difference to visability only look cool. Like $60 bucks as I recall

yes they make a visibility difference blue is the lowest spectrum visible to mankind

i'll explain simply....

yellow is the best colour you can get for visibilty, or hues of it... having said that **** tins of white (ie HID) will be better

human eye colour spectrum goes from blue, through yellow, to red with UV at the blue end, and infrared at the red end...

yellow is the most visible colour to the human eyes as that is where the highest response to colour is... this is why warning signs, traffic lights, tennis balls, and night golf balls, and cricket balls are yellow (not 100% on the cricket - it was last time i checked)

mike_d87 · 27-04-2005, 07:14 PM

i dont no if it is street legal but the Top Secret R34 GTR had xenon headlights but no sprayers...

robprice · 27-04-2005, 07:46 PM

and last time i checked it was a Jappanese car, not an aussie domestic market car. ADR meaning Australian Design Rule, ie applicable to cars sold in oz.

mike_d87 · 27-04-2005, 08:20 PM

thats true. thats pretty obvious isnt it lol

30-03-2005, 02:34 PM	#22
platypus living in the past man Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Newcastle, NSW Car: Subaru Outback 2.0 turbo Posts: 4,707	hehe, mine lights up the ones on the boot and it should light lower on the right __________________ 1997 BG5 Subaru Outback - Now with STI boost...

30-03-2005, 04:03 PM	#24
platypus living in the past man Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Newcastle, NSW Car: Subaru Outback 2.0 turbo Posts: 4,707	water dries to water vapour... it leaves no extra, water marks are caused by outside air drying on or in the water.... water spots don't exist in a vacumm...... sounds uber fishy to me, esp since you can run a HID globe outside of an enclosure...... __________________ 1997 BG5 Subaru Outback - Now with STI boost...

30-03-2005, 04:34 PM	#25
Rupewrecht Administrator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: melb.vic.au Car: AZ-1, Astina Hardtop Turbo, BJ Protege, Beetle Posts: 16,525 View Photos By: Rupewrecht	but he's not talking about inside the light fixture, he means spots on the outside of the lens/headlight... __________________ jdmparts.rupewrecht.com Sourcing your not-quite-overnight parts from Japan WRECHT--\|--SLOWTEGE--\|--BEETLE--\|--SUBSTITUTE--\|--AZ-1

30-03-2005, 05:11 PM	#26
platypus living in the past man Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Newcastle, NSW Car: Subaru Outback 2.0 turbo Posts: 4,707	i know that.... __________________ 1997 BG5 Subaru Outback - Now with STI boost...

30-03-2005, 05:20 PM	#27
Rupewrecht Administrator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: melb.vic.au Car: AZ-1, Astina Hardtop Turbo, BJ Protege, Beetle Posts: 16,525 View Photos By: Rupewrecht	well how would there not be water marks on the outside of the lense to reflect off then? make sense __________________ jdmparts.rupewrecht.com Sourcing your not-quite-overnight parts from Japan WRECHT--\|--SLOWTEGE--\|--BEETLE--\|--SUBSTITUTE--\|--AZ-1

30-03-2005, 02:30 PM	#21
CityEnd Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Melbourne Car: . Posts: 915	yeah depends on where the number plate is.. either on the boot or the bar... i think mine light up the ones on the bar, but not on the boot. but lights up the boot section on cars who r on the left lane of me.

30-03-2005, 03:07 PM	#23
robprice Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Central Coast, where the sun shines, the ocean calls, and the potholes have there own postcodes! Car: ASTNA Posts: 124 View Photos By: robprice	on the subject of legalitys of hid, dad bought an rx8 with leather pack not long ago. obvioiusly this comes with xenon lamps for low beam. The car has windscreen style squirters on the head lights (they spray the whole car they're that strong, and work whenever you hit the windscreen suirters). The salesman at mazda hornsby (hinrick i think his name was) said it is illigal to have xenon without these. The reason being that the cool blue/rainbow look you get from cars with xenon is not from the xenon lamps themseves. Its from dried water dropplets on the front of the lens that refact the light. Dunno if hes right or not but he is normally a very knowelageable bloke, especially about mazdas and german cars.

30-03-2005, 05:28 PM	#28
platypus living in the past man Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Newcastle, NSW Car: Subaru Outback 2.0 turbo Posts: 4,707	clean lenses __________________ 1997 BG5 Subaru Outback - Now with STI boost...

30-03-2005, 05:29 PM	#29
robprice Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Central Coast, where the sun shines, the ocean calls, and the potholes have there own postcodes! Car: ASTNA Posts: 124 View Photos By: robprice	thats it. and the water spots cause refraction because the light is so white, making that rainbow look you see when they come towards you. xenon by itself is just off being a pure white light. Anyway thats what we got told about them and if you find a car with HID and no water sprayers ill be very suprised. The non leather rx8 doesnt have them, or at least ones that work.

30-03-2005, 05:42 PM	#30
platypus living in the past man Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Newcastle, NSW Car: Subaru Outback 2.0 turbo Posts: 4,707	the HID lights are sold by the temperature that they light, which determines the colour... the rainbow is there for the same reason that the sky is blue... its the refraction through the lens and viewing angle.... water sprayers were a european legality me thinks but i'm not sure it was only for HID lights... peugeot/volvo/audi etc have been putting these on cars for a long time now... from what i can work out the real issue is if the lights are self leveling... but i love the water sprayers on the headlights!!! water runs against the spring pushs the bar out, and then sprays the lights... then pops back in when done __________________ 1997 BG5 Subaru Outback - Now with STI boost...

30-03-2005, 05:47 PM	#31
robprice Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Central Coast, where the sun shines, the ocean calls, and the potholes have there own postcodes! Car: ASTNA Posts: 124 View Photos By: robprice	im 99% sure its an ADR too. They are cool but if your cars clean they fix that quick-smart. Also you dont want to use anything but water in it if you like your polish.

26-04-2005, 09:42 AM	#32
mazdaguy01 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Browns Plains Car: 323 astina bj Posts: 38 View Photos By: mazdaguy01	After seeing this install I went shopping around. I can get hella kits for around $1500 and narva ones down as low as $1200. Has anyone found them anycheaper. I thought someone mentioned $500 but I cant remember where.

26-04-2005, 09:51 AM	#33
twilightprotege Driving a faster car now! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Work, always at bloody work... Car: Lotus ....... . Posts: 5,217 View Photos By: twilightprotege	i got mine from america/hong kong for $400aud (i think - cant remember but it was under $500)

27-04-2005, 09:32 AM	#34
CRA23 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Gold Coast, QLD Car: a helichopter Posts: 801 View Photos By: CRA23	i think all HID kits are illegal cos there are none that are ADR approved, like most of the blue tinted zenon bulbs arnt ADR approved. i cant find any HID that are ADR aproved but i think if u a good install u should be fine __________________ Corners are just that much more fun with coilovers......

27-04-2005, 11:24 AM	#35
skippy Resident Dissident Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Ole Sydney Town Car: Alfa 156 TS Posts: 1,197 View Photos By: skippy	So are you saying the cheapish blue head light globes do not actually make any difference to visability only look cool. Like $60 bucks as I recall, I was thinking about getting some cause they are pretty cheap, thought they where a mild improvement, told they last longer (if they last a month) and they look cool. But if not an actual improvement for my visibility Baaah stuffem. FYI that Rx7 on Sunday can water spray a car travelling not all that close behind it, See my bonnent for proof.

27-04-2005, 02:14 PM	#36
chicaboo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Logan prefecture Car: Touge monster Posts: 7,585	HID or any globes are only legal up to 6000K as far as I know. If my headlights ever go out I will just get the Philips 4300K pure white things for the headlights and foglights. I don't need blue lights on the front of the car, and police will pull you over for it if they are blue enough...

27-04-2005, 07:14 PM	#38
mike_d87 AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Newcastle Car: Astina Posts: 481 View Photos By: mike_d87	i dont no if it is street legal but the Top Secret R34 GTR had xenon headlights but no sprayers...

27-04-2005, 07:46 PM	#39
robprice Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Central Coast, where the sun shines, the ocean calls, and the potholes have there own postcodes! Car: ASTNA Posts: 124 View Photos By: robprice	and last time i checked it was a Jappanese car, not an aussie domestic market car. ADR meaning Australian Design Rule, ie applicable to cars sold in oz. __________________ CRUCIATUS ANIMUS

27-04-2005, 08:20 PM	#40
mike_d87 AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Newcastle Car: Astina Posts: 481 View Photos By: mike_d87	thats true. thats pretty obvious isnt it lol

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