AMF sensor in Astina 1.8 /91

[dave0r]

dude your not understanding what im trying to get at

your AFM is THE most vital bit for the ECU to work out the Air/fuel ratios

if you want to open it up and play with it go for it ......................................So long as you at a Dynaometer or rolling road tune while your doing

reason?
2-4 clicks left or right...will either distroy/melt your pistons or flood your car so it doesnt start or damagers your valve seats,cat converter

but thats cool....not my car

[70NYD]

ye ummm i never heard of a HHO gas b4, there is a H2O gas which is water vapour, and if you electrolise water it produces H2 and O2, which are gasses on their own, and what you use when compressed in to liquid in liquid fuel rockets. there is also H2O2 but thats acidic, although minutely. now that i actually looked at the water 4 gas site it doesnt make sense cus to split water you need tremendous amounts of power, more than what a car can produce, cus you cannot make energy, and most (80% ish) energy will always be wasted as heat. till you harvest thsi heat energy thats wasted to make electricity you cant split water in a car, and thats what i c wrong with this. smells like last weeks fish dinner...
im really confused here

[Toveco]

I make charged water at home and use it on a Vaporiser in the car,
only vacuum, no power needed, so the car don't produce the gas.
It is the same water they make in war2, charged water (heavy water).
To load the water I only need a aquarium pump and a power supply 3-12v
and a Electrolyzer, baking soda and Hudrogen Peroxide.
Then I let the engine suck it in the injection. End of story.

[Toveco]

Hi daveOr
Sorry you have right I don't mess whit the airflow
but is this the MAP sensor on my car?
http://picasaweb.google.com/hellsten...10306164418594
Thanks for your help
Tom

[DavoAust]

AFM is immediately after the filter box on the plastic piping, it has a large plug on the top

i just re-read the website.. god its dodgy. the stupid bit is any high school chemistry student knows this cant work. the sheer amount of hydrogen gas you'd need for a measurable improvement (gas, not liquid like they use in hydrogen fuel cell cars) is immense and they expect to get it from a jar no bigger than a large vegemite jar..

even assuming you can make enough gas you'd rapidly damage the engine as the gas burns hotter and much more rapidly than petrol leading to premature combustion (detonation). you won't be running on hydrogen for long until you melt a piston

[Toveco]

Hi OK I stop argue on this, I com back when I tray it out.
But if you read all on this site... I don't drive the car on the gas...I mix it whit the gasoline, so I don't need so much gas.
But if you know that the picture I put up on the last question from me is the MAP sensor, I be happy to know, Thanks
Tom

And bay the way In Thailand you can easy convert your car to drive on NGV and LPG and it don't damage your car.
So the mix is not melt any thing.

[70NYD]

lpg is not even close to hydrogen. lpg is LIQUID PETROLIUM GAS not hydrogen. different energy level (burn rate and heat), different excitation levels(refering to detonation)

[Toveco]

Way every one just argue whit me, and don't answer my question?

[Mc_Nuggets]

Originally Posted by Toveco

Way every one just argue whit me, and don't answer my question?

Their advising you not to do the it, because its most likely going to kill the motor (can't drive it)

[dave0r]

Originally Posted by Toveco

Hi daveOr
Sorry you have right I don't mess whit the airflow
but is this the MAP sensor on my car?
http://picasaweb.google.com/hellsten...10306164418594
Thanks for your help
Tom

soz for the delay Toveco , been busy

our mazdas do not have MAP sensors factory fitted
that picture is the Throttle position sensor (TPS), its a 3 wire design
giving closed or open signals to the ECU (making it VERY inaccurate) so this is why ive stress dont touch the AFM.

hope this helps

if your wanting to do what im thinking your trying to do
try and locate a newer BHA mazda BP1800 ecu, wiring loom and gear, these have knock sensors, 4wire TPS, and a more accurate way of handling fuel mixtures and even knocking/detonation control. but this will cost a bit and may lose power as these ECUs make less power than the BG ones

[Toveco]

But how can I burn my engine when I only use loaded water, Its cool down the engine!

[FLiP]

Everybody, this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

Toveco, it's a scam. It does not work. The Americans are geniuses at selling you stuff that does not work and will never work and you do not need, and they are making money out of you.

Pure Hydrogen gas is next to impossible to store with the latest technologies, let alone in a system that can be self installed under your bonnet. Hydrogen burns in air alone to form water. In fact, it spontaneously combusts in air, it doesn't even require a spark.

I'm disappointed in you guys. I always thought astina drivers were smarter than this. :-(

[DavoAust]

Originally Posted by FLiP

Everybody, this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

Toveco, it's a scam. It does not work. The Americans are geniuses at selling you stuff that does not work and will never work and you do not need, and they are making money out of you.

Pure Hydrogen gas is next to impossible to store with the latest technologies, let alone in a system that can be self installed under your bonnet. Hydrogen burns in air alone to form water. In fact, it spontaneously combusts in air, it doesn't even require a spark.

I'm disappointed in you guys. I always thought astina drivers were smarter than this. :-(

why disappointed? we are smarter, no one here says it will work

[dave0r]

Originally Posted by FLiP

I talk loads on dripple when i feel like it :-)

i havnt said its not possible. im a big fan on alternative fuels mostly because there are so many out there

my uncle used to run his old mini motor on "WATER" and something he added...it went into 4 jars with lids, came out as mix to make the car run on water (secret **** from the pantry was added)

he didnt bloweded upage..nor did he engine diedded


you sound like these people that say
Ozone is bad for people because some one else said it was
omg ozone ( O3) will kill us ALL

not everyone is closed minded nor do they know everything
so we all asked question to help figure out what we are doing wrong or need to improve on

[70NYD]

Originally Posted by FLiP

Everybody, this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

Toveco, it's a scam. It does not work. The Americans are geniuses at selling you stuff that does not work and will never work and you do not need, and they are making money out of you.

Pure Hydrogen gas is next to impossible to store with the latest technologies, let alone in a system that can be self installed under your bonnet. Hydrogen burns in air alone to form water. In fact, it spontaneously combusts in air, it doesn't even require a spark.

I'm disappointed in you guys. I always thought astina drivers were smarter than this. :-(

what the hell r u on about. who here apart from toveco said that it will work?
no hydrogen is not easy to store but it can be stored just like LPG, very safetly, it can also be stored in alot of different air tight containers. it does not ignite on contact with air, but it is highly voletile, and can egnite fairly easily, for example if you put hydrogen in a baloon n then pop it, the sudden release in presure is enough to make it react with O2, but yea i dont know what ure talkin bout being disapointed man

[rodhog]

I'd just like to add this

if it's BG with BP DOHC with denso ECU and Vane air flow meter- the flappy door type.

two things - one it won't LEARN around the problem.
Mazda didn't introduce that untill earlest on a 323 would be series 2 KF-and even then only when feed information outside it's spectrum.

Other wise - things like a Uniship or other interceptors would not work.

Unichip and the like are really good cheap power ups for adjusting ECU A/F ratio on a N/A motor. With mild upgrades.

But having said that, the advantage of this type or Tricking the ECU is different.

The whole changing the readings from the air-flow meter - is just wrong.
Because it requires them at all times. When doing things like this you mess it up so that your idel - mid - light throttle and decelleration are all over the place.

A proper interceptor knows where and when to change the signal.
So the rest is not mess up.

I thought I'd just add that as - alot of stuf noted so far is well Weird - true and in some cases not quite right.

Oh and in thailand and other parts of Asia- you get some weird, Things occuring fella's. Just remember, Alot of things aint' as well Refined as here.

[Toveco]

I am not stupid! And I see it my self WORKING! But my car is very old 91...
So I don't have all the thing the new car have, ok it is injection DOHC 1.8L engine whit only a AMF on.
I am sorry I disturb you whit a lot of questions, but is their any sensor in the engine after AMF sensorn ho feel what air coming in ?
or is that the only thing we have for the air flow?
and do the ECU learn if I do something after the AMF?
And I still don't need much gas for this, its enough what i produce whit the kit because I still MIX it with the gasoline, not drive on it.
And one more thing... I don't wont to have more power! I want to save gasoline! thats the reason I do this Ok

And a BIG thanks to you daveOr for your help and support!!

[dave0r]

welcome

good luck with it anyways

i remember something science teacher mentioned many years ago
split water (separated h2 and o2) has around 20times more explosive force than petrol! .Very unstable but very powerful,and the byproduct of its combustion is "water" so dam clean if you ask me

[Toveco]

Thanks for your trust daveOr!
but do you know if their any sensor in the engine after AMF sensorn that feel what air coming in the engine?
or is that the only thing we have for the air flow?
...And do the ECU learn if I do something, (mix the air after the AMF sensor?)

Please help me whit this last question!

[dave0r]

the ECU is very dumb
TPS doesnt tell the ECU much at all really
the AFM is really it for incoming air

the Oxygen sensor isnt the best either, its a narrow band so not the best for learning the mixtures