coilovers- BC's v yellowspeeds?

[HAIGHIE]

so not creating an argument at all i'm clearly just saying
i am happy with the Yellow speeds i have heeps of adjustablity still to be had if i wanted (ie could slam the "F" out of it) but i i was to get them again i would be opting for
8kg front spring rate
6kg rear spring rate

so i could have the ability to "slam" my car as i would like to, with out having to run the damperning at 28 and scrub as easy as it does now when i do a natio run. around town it won't scrub unless i hit a fairly decent bump.

noi'm not bothered with comfort it don't bother me at all and even if it did i could alway just back the dampening off as i have done 2 times just to be able to feel the difference and there is quite a noticeable difference, but in saying that yes i could be wise just just rase my car but i don't want to i like my cars LOW

over all they give a great ride and good steering response but yes there just a little on the soft side for any hard driving like a natio run with the off the shelf spring rates of
7kg fronts
4kg rears

but yer thats my 2 bobs worth i'm happy with them will probly end up getting the
8kg front springs and the 6kg rears but for the time being i'm happy,
easy to install happy with the adjustablity and over all ride, a great choice for a upgrade of suspension and would recommend Yellowspeed to people but would suggest the stronger spring rates if they intend to be doing any harder type driving other wise for the daily set up off the shelf set up would be fine.

[mattylagana]

@ project: that's why I'm upset with my new gear is I chucked them
I. Thinking nothing needed to be done to them shortly after I realised I need to pre tension them so jacked it up dropped the spring perch then pre tensioned to where the spring has no movement to jiggle up an down then ( did 2 more full turns more ( for some stiffer ride ) that with the two finger gap I have all round scrubs up front untill I run damp to 22H and the rear I'm having issues cause of my car has its on issue, but it also scrubs. Sadly The noise's happen a lot and unless ive made a noob mistake it's just coilover make.

[HAIGHIE]

sway bars yes they will help, but height will thats a personal preference thing and as i said i want my car low, yes i could set it at a height that was just above the tyre and i wouldn't have any of these problems correct, but if someone like me wanted to slam there car as i would like to do then the choice to take the avaliable option of the stronger spring rates is the way to go and i will be doing in the new year, and as i had stated before comfort is not a factor to me as i don't care about it,

i'm saying all this because i don't want people to have to waste money because they didn't get what they were expecting and no one had given any kind of "review" on what to get for the choice of uses with the yellowspeeds so this is where my problem was,

so if you want it low and plan to do some "driving" from experience i would suggest getting the strong spring rates for the people looking for a comfortable coilover set up, with a so called "resonable" height then just get the off the shelf product.

[sim08u]

Originally Posted by HAIGHIE

i'm saying all this because i don't want people to have to waste money because they didn't get what they were expecting and no one had given any kind of "review" on what to get for the choice of uses with the yellowspeeds so this is where my problem was,

so if you want it low and plan to do some "driving" from experience i would suggest getting the strong spring rates for the people looking for a comfortable coilover set up, with a so called "resonable" height then just get the off the shelf product.

I'm gonna go by what Haighe says... I want my car very low...

[familiagtx]

I think the best experience person for this thread is Ryan (project.r.racing).

He has both BC and Yellowspeed in the same car with same ride height for the same amount of time, and I know because I sold both branded kits to him.

Ive got BC's in my car that are still good bang for buck, but personally I do prefer the comfort and performance from Yellowspeed settings off the shelf. Even though my BJ is turning out to be a tuff car, 80% of the time I putt around in it like a grandpa anyways. I'll be going back to factory struts with king springs and koni conversion and sell off my BC's.

Whether you go either brand from whichever reseller you choose, make sure if your customising your order, make sure you get what you pay for.

Customising linear spring rates is not rocket science, some places charge and others don't. When it comes to shock revalving, that becomes a whole other thing.

[Clean_Cookie]

I can go 30mm lower but I can't even get out of secure multi level carparks let alone random curbs without scraping...why anyone wants a car 50mm off the ground as a daily confuses me.

Edit: maybe bjs sit higher than bas from factory..

[smurfy]

Im not tryna slamm my car.. I want it sitting nice and not scrubbing

[HAIGHIE]

yes i am running bigger profile tyre and thats probly not helping
but swift jimmiy is running 215/35 on CX-7s and he's lower then me by about the difference in the size of the tyre, but yet he still doen't scrap inless he hits a fairly big bump but he says even then it has to be a big one and trys every hard to avoid them.

so having my car that extra height it should allow for the larger profile tyre but i still scrap as is, if i drive through natio and thats not driving hard as i try to avoid driving hard beaucse of the scrubbing

i was lower then what i am currently and only raised the car because it was scrubbing, and from the bottom of the LCA brace i was 110mm off the ground probly about 125mm now. i can't speak for what the BA's sit at. having never owned one or had anything to do with them so i'm not going to say anything that i have no knowledge about.

i'm not trying to argue with you i'm just stating my oppinion on the yellow speeds and trying to give the people that were going to buy them and had plans of either driving through a road like natio or doing trackdays, or wanted to lower there car quite abit an oppinion on what i would get, and as i said for the people who only want to have the ability of adjustable suspension, an only lower there car to a height of what lowered springs would be then the off the shelf product is a perfect set up, it's very comfortable and gives great steering responce,

for the non understanding of having such a low car,
look i completely understand what you mean its unpractical trust me my dad has a winge all the time
but your car is only worth as much as you like/enjoy it.
and i hate my car looking high (it's personal preference ) and everybody has a different one. if i had to park on the street then thats what i would do, yes you might think thats the dumbest thing you've ever herd but it doesn't bother me to walk an extra 100m, and i would rather do that then drive a car that i hate the look of,

but thats my opinion and it only effects me, and there are heeps of people that are the same and heeps that are different.

anyways thats my rant, i've said my review and i hope it helps people who are looking in to buying these coilovers to get what they want insted of having to waste money in then having to buy stonger spring rates or different coilovers later on.

[HAIGHIE]

swift jimmys heres now and suggested changing the rims just for giggles and show its the actual overal suspension strength rather then wheel / rim combo for the height level i'm running and why the upgrades spring rates are advised for the pople who plan to run there car as low or lower

[BG1.8sp]

Originally Posted by project.r.racing

smart move, one a 215 will lower your car 7mm closer to the ground. (the desired look you are going for right?) and more the tyre 7mm away from any contact point inside the wheel arch. (the desired reduced scrub you are looking for).

Except the 205 has more stretch the 215....
Moving it further away from the guard lip that its scrubbing on

[swift jimmy]

ba versus bj / Yellowspeeds versus bc / 205 tyres versus 215 tyres..


may aswell compared bag suspension to whale bludder while we are at it.


What im trying to say is think this was meant to be more of a pro vs cons sort of thread for the both of them.

Andy and Laganna have both said there techinical problems there having with there yellowspeeds.. so that can go in the con list as yes they fit but need F'ing around with to get somewhere like they want it both have the time an ability to do that where others may not.

So in conclussion yellowspeeds have some issues on both BJ and BA.. or im i reading this wrong and being a toolbag ??

Familiagtx - *bows down* thank you sir for your relient information as your the only one with a BJ running BC


was thinking about changing to yellowspeeds or BC.. but you know what stuff it sticking to my old limited changeability autoexes.. why??

because i have 99 problems but scrub aint 1 ** !!!

** (unless large pot hole when car is fully loaded up on a front wheel going into a corner)

[familiagtx]

Originally Posted by swift jimmy

because i have 99 problems but scrubbing aint 1

Luv it

[marcs_sp20]

Righteo, Im only going to say this once and once only, any more abusive posts between one another will see ya's having a holiday!

/mod.

[BG1.8sp]

Originally Posted by marcs_sp20

Righteo, Im only going to say this once and once only, any more abusive posts between one another will see ya's having a holiday!

/mod.

Bout the only one I would get... Certainly not getting one from work.

Any chance of bringing half a post back?
Lol the top 3/4 of one post was actually on topic and was relevant to any readers.

Kinda guessing not tho.
Going to have to attempt to repost... If I remember. Lol

[SLY 323]

Happy so far with my yellows and thier not even worn in!

Yes when on the spot turning wheel they make a little noise, but show me a stiff car that doesnt make rattles and noises and ill show you a car that isnt that stiff at all.

Im slammed in the rear and as far down in the front as possible, only scrubs because the gaurds arent rolled. If I set the camber properly to 0 or space it out = no scrubbing.

Mind you my car scrubbed with super lows on hard corners.

Other than that it could be a little bit stiffer so im making it stiffer.

Fitment issues = none other than my own mistakes.

Othet than that! Very happy.

[Hammo]

All pillow ball joints on coilovers no matter what brand make noises thats just how they are, some times theyre quiet some times they move from left strut to right and vice versa, its only when parking or slow speeds i notice it so dont bother me

Also ive seen people adjusting spring pre loads with yellow speeds, they come from manufacture with it already set

[familiagtx]

Hammo, thank you for posting up the diagram.

The only coil overs that you adjust height via its spring seat are coil overs that DO NOT have adjustable height lower mount or clevis (eg. Tein super street)

People shouldn't mess around with the spring seat on coil overs that have adjustable lower mount or clevis, if they are not sure of what they are doing.

This can attribute to noisy pillow balls and in some cases with the incorrect tension, forcing the coil spring to make a boing or crack noise when turn from left to right rather than the turn bearing to do its job.

When setting up or installing, if your not sure, read the provided material with your product or ask a pro or someone that knows what they are doing.

[sim08u]

just gonna add my two cents, I said I'd buy Yellowspeeds, butttt I ended up with BC BR's purely because I really couldn't wait till mid January which is when wholesale said they'd have them in...

now... with my BC's the front are as low as it will go, which is unfortunate, as i'd personally like to go lower. However the rear is tucking and im pretty sure it can go down another inch but the handbrake cable bracket is in the way... at the moment my car is extremely noisy (I hear knocking sounds from the bottom and right hand side of the car, could be swaybar or endlinks, don't think its the coils) but other than that they give me a good nice comfortable ride, I do scrub on hard corners, my guards arent rolled either though. I'm also running off the shelf spring rates.

[sim08u]

also in reguards to adjusting the coilovers, I found out, a bit later than when I needed to, that there are two types of coilovers;

Fully Threaded:
http://www.jdm-option.com/eng/pr_CUS.../sus_img11.jpg

Partially threaded:
http://www.jdm-option.com/eng/pr_CUS.../sus_img10.jpg

the top type you adjust by the lower bracket the partially threaded type you adjust from the spring seat...