blowing a white smoke screen...advice..?

89sp1.8 · 12-12-2005, 07:49 PM

hey guys as some of u might have seen,yesterday noticed white smoke comming out my zorst.happens mostly when i take off in first gear,not always though as was testing b4...though maybe my rings r gone or possibly smashed my cat on mountain run...wat u think?

MitchEG · 12-12-2005, 07:51 PM

yah, that smoke u had was definetly burning oil
i'd say its the valve stem seals cos it was worse when u had
been idling for a while allowing oil to be sucked past the
seals under the vaccum the engine makes. If it was rings, it would
do it all the time. Maybe a bit of both?

mazdamanik · 12-12-2005, 07:58 PM

if its oil burning it should be blue smoke....white smoke usually means water....which could mean headgasket

if its blue then its oil and could also be head gasket or rings

MitchEG · 12-12-2005, 08:00 PM

i thought it was blue smoke i saw

edit: If it was white, which means coolant/water is burning, u should check your coolant tank and make sure the coolant is clean green (or red if u have red coolant) and not brown which could mean gasket probs.

dfvadr · 12-12-2005, 08:07 PM

if its white smoke it will most probly be your head gasket , check ur water level or even take off radiator cap with motor running must be hot if there are bubbles that is another sign

if its blue well can be rings or valve guides check how mucxh oil its losing

Cosmo Dude · 12-12-2005, 08:18 PM

If it's blue when gunning the engine then it's rings (time to build the beast)
If it's blue only on startup then valve stem seals and that's fixable.

White and you have an appointment with a mechanic. While the head is off you may want to have some work done

MitchEG · 12-12-2005, 08:22 PM

well, i saw and smelt the oil burning from behind u, it was also evident on some of your downshifts as well...which points to stem seals again i think

323kid · 12-12-2005, 09:14 PM

its for sure not a smashed cat, i smashed my cat on purpose and it doesn't blow white smoke.

boostedbatman · 13-12-2005, 04:48 AM

on
purpose

Ripper323 · 13-12-2005, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 323kid

its for sure not a smashed cat, i smashed my cat on purpose and it doesn't blow white smoke.

I'd hate to be driving along and accidently smash my cat out!

Rupewrecht · 13-12-2005, 11:55 AM

You'll know if your cat fails.

Mine died not long after i went turbo. A BIIIIIIIG white cloud of poisonous smoke out the back. Not just the occasional puff.

323kid · 13-12-2005, 12:06 PM

smashed cat and i still cant get it to pop flames!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

89sp1.8 · 13-12-2005, 11:36 PM

ok the other day when i took off it blew some smoke,and i wasnt giving it any.(slow/normal take off)and when this happens i can smell petrol...plus i changed the oil n filter friday too. so im thinking its not too do with the oil,n also topped up my coolant with water the other day,still green. so i put some more fuel in after it was blowing smoke and im either not get any come out yet,or not as much.(its hard to see how much comes out while driving) im thinking maybe rings in injectors? got injectors clean n new rings couple months ago though.also guess it might be some bad fuel?.....

MitchEG · 14-12-2005, 12:26 AM

i still reckon its valve stem seals...what thickness oil did u put in? if its lighter than what u had before it may be able to seep past the seals and therefore burn off...Try idling the car for a while and then accelerate to prove me right or wrong, if smoke appears then its probably that...otherwise ill just shut my mouth :P heh

jrp928 · 14-12-2005, 04:43 PM

Thick white smoke can be brake fluid being sucked from the power brake cos the cylinder is leaking oil into it......
jp 89 SP

89sp1.8 · 14-12-2005, 06:29 PM

yeh the oil i had in b4 was 20-50 n i changed to a 15-50.so thats possible.ill have to check see how its goin,i havent seen any smoke yet but ill have a proper look,and im still getting the smell of petrol though...? ill get bak to u

Cosmo Dude · 14-12-2005, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 323kid

smashed cat and i still cant get it to pop flames!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cats won't inhibit flames, you've got to be running rich to make flames

Rupewrecht · 14-12-2005, 08:39 PM

I used to have flames LOL. Bloody Pete!

Cosmo Dude · 14-12-2005, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rupewrecht

I used to have flames LOL. Bloody Pete!

I scared cars and officals at Calder night sprints. Heaps of fuel and never enough ignition

Bloody Gary

project.r.racing · 14-12-2005, 09:29 PM

The batmobile has this same install, good for getting away from baddies!

12-12-2005, 07:49 PM	#1
89sp1.8 Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: brisbane Car: bg astina Posts: 1,186	blowing a white smoke screen...advice..? hey guys as some of u might have seen,yesterday noticed white smoke comming out my zorst.happens mostly when i take off in first gear,not always though as was testing b4...though maybe my rings r gone or possibly smashed my cat on mountain run...wat u think?

12-12-2005, 07:51 PM	#2
MitchEG AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brisbane, South Car: Cibicu Posts: 324	yah, that smoke u had was definetly burning oil i'd say its the valve stem seals cos it was worse when u had been idling for a while allowing oil to be sucked past the seals under the vaccum the engine makes. If it was rings, it would do it all the time. Maybe a bit of both? Last edited by MitchEG; 12-12-2005 at 07:59 PM.

12-12-2005, 07:58 PM	#3
mazdamanik Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Rathmines Car: Was an Astina now a Commohore :-( Posts: 903 View Photos By: mazdamanik	if its oil burning it should be blue smoke....white smoke usually means water....which could mean headgasket if its blue then its oil and could also be head gasket or rings __________________ You can't race what you can't catch!!

12-12-2005, 08:00 PM	#4
MitchEG AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brisbane, South Car: Cibicu Posts: 324	i thought it was blue smoke i saw edit: If it was white, which means coolant/water is burning, u should check your coolant tank and make sure the coolant is clean green (or red if u have red coolant) and not brown which could mean gasket probs. Last edited by MitchEG; 12-12-2005 at 08:03 PM.

12-12-2005, 08:07 PM	#5
dfvadr Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Queensland Car: ss , sp20 , 94ba Posts: 1,708 View Photos By: dfvadr	if its white smoke it will most probly be your head gasket , check ur water level or even take off radiator cap with motor running must be hot if there are bubbles that is another sign if its blue well can be rings or valve guides check how mucxh oil its losing __________________ 2001 SP20 Mazda Astina Turbo - t28b/b turbo teflon coated forge pistons 20thou o/size , billet rods , whole motor fully balanced - custom body kit - 18"ame's - custom interior - kenwood head unit , pioneer speakers driven by 800 watt amp , kicker subs driven by 1000 watt amps each sub [135.2db at supernats], two 1th caps 4 tv screens dvd player - xbox - airbag suspension with gas strut towers - custom plates an airbrushing on bonnet

12-12-2005, 08:18 PM	#6
Cosmo Dude コスモ Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Location: Vic Car: Mazda '95 Astina I4, '86 B2K and '10 3 MZR-CD Posts: 7,888 View Photos By: Cosmo Dude	If it's blue when gunning the engine then it's rings (time to build the beast) If it's blue only on startup then valve stem seals and that's fixable. White and you have an appointment with a mechanic. While the head is off you may want to have some work done __________________ My 'stina Hatch

12-12-2005, 08:22 PM	#7
MitchEG AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brisbane, South Car: Cibicu Posts: 324	well, i saw and smelt the oil burning from behind u, it was also evident on some of your downshifts as well...which points to stem seals again i think

12-12-2005, 09:14 PM	#8
323kid Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gold Coast australia Car: nothing atm Posts: 130	its for sure not a smashed cat, i smashed my cat on purpose and it doesn't blow white smoke. __________________

13-12-2005, 04:48 AM	#9
boostedbatman Manpink Crusader Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Stafford, Brisbane Car: 1990 GD mx6 F2T, and soon I might drive the batmoobile once again Posts: 2,280 View Photos By: boostedbatman	on purpose __________________ The Batmobile as she used to be and now she hangs from a chain in the garage

13-12-2005, 11:55 AM	#11
Rupewrecht Administrator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: melb.vic.au Car: AZ-1, Astina Hardtop Turbo, BJ Protege, Beetle Posts: 16,525 View Photos By: Rupewrecht	You'll know if your cat fails. Mine died not long after i went turbo. A BIIIIIIIG white cloud of poisonous smoke out the back. Not just the occasional puff. __________________ jdmparts.rupewrecht.com Sourcing your not-quite-overnight parts from Japan WRECHT--\|--SLOWTEGE--\|--BEETLE--\|--SUBSTITUTE--\|--AZ-1

13-12-2005, 12:06 PM	#12
323kid Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gold Coast australia Car: nothing atm Posts: 130	smashed cat and i still cant get it to pop flames!!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________

13-12-2005, 11:36 PM	#13
89sp1.8 Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: brisbane Car: bg astina Posts: 1,186	ok the other day when i took off it blew some smoke,and i wasnt giving it any.(slow/normal take off)and when this happens i can smell petrol...plus i changed the oil n filter friday too. so im thinking its not too do with the oil,n also topped up my coolant with water the other day,still green. so i put some more fuel in after it was blowing smoke and im either not get any come out yet,or not as much.(its hard to see how much comes out while driving) im thinking maybe rings in injectors? got injectors clean n new rings couple months ago though.also guess it might be some bad fuel?.....

14-12-2005, 12:26 AM	#14
MitchEG AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brisbane, South Car: Cibicu Posts: 324	i still reckon its valve stem seals...what thickness oil did u put in? if its lighter than what u had before it may be able to seep past the seals and therefore burn off...Try idling the car for a while and then accelerate to prove me right or wrong, if smoke appears then its probably that...otherwise ill just shut my mouth :P heh

14-12-2005, 04:43 PM	#15
jrp928 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 38	Thick white smoke can be brake fluid being sucked from the power brake cos the cylinder is leaking oil into it...... jp 89 SP

14-12-2005, 06:29 PM	#16
89sp1.8 Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: brisbane Car: bg astina Posts: 1,186	yeh the oil i had in b4 was 20-50 n i changed to a 15-50.so thats possible.ill have to check see how its goin,i havent seen any smoke yet but ill have a proper look,and im still getting the smell of petrol though...? ill get bak to u

14-12-2005, 08:39 PM	#18
Rupewrecht Administrator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: melb.vic.au Car: AZ-1, Astina Hardtop Turbo, BJ Protege, Beetle Posts: 16,525 View Photos By: Rupewrecht	I used to have flames LOL. Bloody Pete! __________________ jdmparts.rupewrecht.com Sourcing your not-quite-overnight parts from Japan WRECHT--\|--SLOWTEGE--\|--BEETLE--\|--SUBSTITUTE--\|--AZ-1

14-12-2005, 09:29 PM	#20
project.r.racing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: n/a Car: n/a Posts: 10,929	The batmobile has this same install, good for getting away from baddies!

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